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|    Dieter Michel to All    |
|    Re: Error of % + digits?    |
|    22 Jun 20 17:19:21    |
      XPost: sci.electronics.equipment       From: dmichel@prosound.de              Hi,              > I just bought an amp clamp meter, and it states the error is "+/- 1.9% +       > 3 digits". What does the "3 digits" part mean?              I'll try to explain that with a simplified model of       a digital meter (please everybody correct me if it's       oversimplified and wrong):              The typical digital meter consist of some kind of       processing of the signal to be measured and an       A/D-converter that converts it's analog input       signal to a number that is displayed.              The input processing serves to transform the quantity       to be measured into an analog signal that is properly       adapted to cover the range of possible input signals       of the A/D-converter.              Let's say we want to measure an AC current of 10A with       a clamp meter like yours. Let the display of the meter       have 3 1/3 digits, so the range of displayable numbers       goes from 0000 to 1999 with an additional decimal point       somewhere.              The A/D-converter will not be able to directly convert       a 10A current, so we pickup the current to be measured       with a transformer, the wire carrying your 10A current       being the primary and a coil internal to the clamp       assembly being the secondary winding.              An AC current flow through the wire will induce an AC voltage       in the secondary winding. Since the A/D-converter may not       directly accept AC voltages, further processing may be       required, such as amplification or voltage division and       e.g. True-RMS detection of the AC voltage. All this       processing will end up in a voltage that is suitable for       the A/D-converter - say, 1V DC for 10A of AC current.              All the (analog) signal processing described here will       not be free of unwanted influences and processing errors.       The transformer at the input could e.g. pick up unwanted       magnetic fields, the amplifier could exhibit noise and       nonlinearities, the TRMS detection could exhibit some errors.              All these error sources or influences may be described in       the meter's specification as a percentage - e.g. the +/- 1.9%       you mentioned.              Now, the A/D converter converts the analog input voltage       into a number. One method to do this, when speed is not       a critical factor, is (dual) slope integration.              Let's assume for a moment that the input voltage is static,       i.e. the 1V DC mentioned before.              Basically, the conversion works by comparing the input       voltage (to be measured) to a linearly rising voltage       (ramp). Similar to a stopwatch, a counter starts when       the reference voltage begins to rise and a comparator       stops it when the ramp voltage is equal to the input voltage.              In our example with 1V input, the counter may stop at a       count of 1000. With the knowledge that, by means of the       input processing and the calibration of the meter, this       corresponds to 10A AC current. The meter would probably       display 10.00 (A).              But: At some time in the process, the counter will switch       from 999 to 1000 in a very short (almost zero) time.       That means, that the input voltage may just be a tiny little bit       less and the counter is stopped at 999, not at 1000.              That means, that for any input signal, you always have +/-1 digit       display uncertainty because you cannot know whether the       counter maybe was just before switching to the next count.              With a specification of +/-3 digits, the A/D converter has       a greater uncertainty when counting. For example, even at       a constant input of 1V, the internal counter may be less       precise and stop at 997, 998, 999, 1000, 1001, 1002 or 1003,       even if the input signal doesn't change. You can think of       this as a stopwatch that may be off some counts each time       you make a measurement.              This type of error is not related to the input signal       processing, so it is not very meaningful to express the       error as a percentage of the measured value. It is usually       expressed as a number of digits, because the error is mainly       caused by the process of converting input signals to numbers.              Of course, I know that this very simple single slope integration       is not used in meters, dual slope is the least you can do.       Also, the A/D conversion may contribute to the percentage error spec.       The (over)simplification is just a means to explain why there       are two numbers in the specification.              Just my two cents,              Dieter              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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