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|    John R Walliker to Martin Brown    |
|    Re: engineering is hard (2/2)    |
|    05 Nov 25 16:46:57    |
      [continued from previous message]              > There was once an 11+ exam (my year were the last to take it). There was       > also a sort of IQ/SAT test at secondary school but the results were       > never shared with either the school or the students.       >       >> Anything specific to a particular "course" would likely not be taken       >> in the first year -- unless you had a specific interest. E.g., few       >> EE's took courses in compiler design, even if they wanted a CS degree.       >> There were enough "other" offerings to keep you busy (10 classes a       >> year means you can't explore too much)       >       > You were free to not attend lectures provided that you kept up to date       > with coursework and passed the exams. You could also go to lectures for       > courses that you were not studying but would get no credit for them.       >       >>>> ["Lab" courses would typically be 4 hours in a classroom, 4 hours of       >>>> homework and 4 hours in a lab -- for a total of 12 hours per week]       >>>       >>> Lab work was an afternoon a week in each science subject and you were       >>> expected to study 3 science courses and maths in the first year. The       >>> practical exams at the end of the year required knowledge of       >>> experimental techniques taught in the practical classes.       >>       >> As with lectures and recitations (smaller groups where the material       >> presented in the previous day's lecture was reviewed in finer detail),       >> no one cared if you attended any of these things. A "lab course"       >> just indicated that you would typically spend 4 hours a week *in*       >> a "laboratory" using equipment that you couldn't access in your dorm       >> room in addition to the 4 hours you would spend in class and 4 more       >> for "homework". (classes were numerically quantified as CLASS-LAB-       >> HOMEWORK       >> so a normal class was 4-0-8 while a lab would be 4-4-4 and humanities       >> might be 3-0-6)       >       > No such scheme at least not when I was there. Theory class was pure       > class and entirely optional - it thinned out PDQ.       >       >> Most of mine required building something (I built a capacitive discharge       >> ignition in one and a "breakout" video game in another) and demonstrating       >> it at the end of the semester. If you had the tools to do this       >> "at home" then you need never set foot in a "laboratory".       >       > Our physics course had after term electronics courses because physicists       > were expected to build their own experiments at graduate level. Most of       > the kit involved was way too complex for home experimenters e.g X-ray       > diffractometers, spectroscope, oscilloscope, microscope, fume cupboards,       > Young's slits, gas lasers, holographic tables.       >       > Two electronic courses I recall most were digital logic (making an LED       > digital electronic dice being the final challenge) and how to use opamps       > effectively. Measuring the properties of a FET and relating them to       > solid state theory was already in the mainstream physics practicals.       >       > Some were quite inspired hybrids like computing the dynamics of a coin       > set spinning on a vertical axis as it slows down due to friction and       > precession/nutation take hold. Or how a very tall tower of Lego falls over.       >       >> Most of the labs were open (unlocked/unlockable) spaces that you       >> could access 24/7. So, you might deliberately choose to put in       >> your time in the wee hours of the morning just to have a quieter       >> workspace.       >       > Labs were staffed and open 2pm to 5/6pm every weekday. Some of them you       > had your own cupboard and glassware to look after too. Computing was       > cheaper at the midnight hour but that mainframe was a 24/7 operation.       >       >>> Specialising was really only in the second and third years.       >>       >> You had to *declare* a "major" in your second year. But, that       >> didn't entitle you to any special treatment. You could take       >> any class that was offered, even if you had no intentions of       >> "majoring" in the course that the class was intended for.       >       > That is the same at my university (I did double physics at that point).       > Had I gone anywhere else I would probably have been a chemist.       >       >> E.g., there was a very popular Mechanical Engineering class       >> where students would build "gizmos" out of a small, standardized       >> (for that semester) set of components -- rubber bands, tongue       >> depressors, thumbtacks, etc. -- to meet some stated goal.       >> These were then paired with "opponents" to determine the best       >> design. It was always tempting to enroll but meant "losing"       >> a chunk of your time to a class that didn't meet any of your       >> degree requirements. Ditto a photography class that was       >> invariably oversubscribed (spots awarded by lottery).       >       > Funnily enough I know that the mechanical engineering course in our year       > the first practical had to build a structure from Dexion to hold 3       > anchor points apart against specified forces and torques. Teams of 4?       > designed their best effort and then they were tested to destruction.       >       > It was a pretty good team building exercise and fun to watch the tests.              I think the teams were judged on how little material they used while       still meeting the strength requirements.>       >> We also had a ~1 month period between semesters (called       >> Independent Activities Period -- IAP) that would also offer       >> short classes of special interest to folks who were "around"       >> between the holidays.       >       > Prior to the final year we had a long vacation course where it was       > either dedicated morning lectures and theory classes or whole days spent       > on seriously tricky experiments (Josephson junction being one such).       > Firing DU slugs into targets and measuring stress strain another.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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