From: jl@glen--canyon.com   
      
   On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 11:08:50 -0800, Joerg    
   wrote:   
      
   >On 12/1/25 10:45 AM, john larkin wrote:   
   >> On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 10:00:05 -0800, Joerg    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 11/29/25 9:30 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:   
   >>>> On 30/11/2025 8:13 am, Joerg wrote:   
   >>>>> On 11/26/25 7:01 PM, Edward Rawde wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> [...]   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> None. But plenty of present day students seem to have to have a job   
   >>>>>> as well as school.   
   >>>>>> In my case I did partially have a job while at school because   
   >>>>>> although my father didn't   
   >>>>>> specifically offer equipment repair to people off the street, I would   
   >>>>>> often find a   
   >>>>>> non functional piece of electronics waiting for me to find out what   
   >>>>>> was wrong with it.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Exactly. Either that or have an electronics hobby. In my case that was   
   >>>>> ham radio but I also repaired lots of radios and TVs. The point is, if   
   >>>>> someone isn't doing any of this and thus hasn't acquired basic skills   
   >>>>> such as soldering or trying to figure out how a circuit is supposed to   
   >>>>> work but doesn't, maybe he or she should not head into an engineering   
   >>>>> career.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Graduate students learn this kind of practical stuff later than   
   >>>> hobbyists, but there's no reason why they wouldn't learn it just as   
   >>>> well. ...   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> The point is that there is a "too late". Once they have their degree and   
   >>> apply for jobs it is too late.   
   >>>   
   >>> [...]   
   >>   
   >> Best to start on electronics while you're a kid.   
   >>   
   >> A mentor sure helps.   
   >>   
   >   
   >Absolutely. It's also important to start "cross-mentoring" among   
   >students at high school, gets you into the grove of real mentoring later   
   >(giving back). In essence we did a lot of brain storming back then. I   
   >knew a lot about analog, others knew a lot about the up and coming 7400   
   >series logic, so we complemented each.   
   >   
   >   
   >> Few college EE profs have ever had a real job.   
   >>   
   >   
   >When one of them told us that a grounded base structure for a FET   
   >amplifier is nonsensical I stopped attending and just sat for the exam   
   >(in Germany there was no requirement to attend). But not before showing   
   >him the schematic of my ham radio transceiver. He couldn't believe what   
   >he saw.   
      
   I wonder if the typical EE education makes people good at designing   
   electronics. I think not.   
      
      
   John Larkin   
   Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center   
   Lunatic Fringe Electronics   
      
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