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   Don to Phil Hobbs   
   Re: Chinese EUV   
   24 Dec 25 18:26:34   
   
   From: g@crcomp.net   
      
   Phil Hobbs wrote:   
   > john larkin wrote:   
   >> Don wrote:   
   >>> john larkin wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-china-built-manhat   
   an-project-141758929.html   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Lots of ebay stuff, I suspect.   
   >>>   
   >>> Completed in early 2025 and now undergoing testing, the   
   >>> prototype fills nearly an entire factory floor. It was   
   >>> built by a team of former engineers from Dutch   
   >>> semiconductor giant ASML (ASML.AS), who reverse-   
   >>> engineered the company's extreme ultraviolet   
   >>> lithography machines or EUVs, according to two people   
   >>> with knowledge of the project. ...   
   >>>   
   >>> In April, ASML CEO Christophe Fouquet said that China   
   >>> would need "many, many years" to develop such technology.   
   >>> But the existence of this prototype, reported by Reuters   
   >>> for the first time, suggests China may be years closer   
   >>> to achieving semiconductor independence than analysts   
   >>> anticipated. ...   
   >>>   
   >>> "The aim is for China to eventually be able to make   
   >>> advanced chips on machines that are entirely China-made,"   
   >>> one of the people said. "China wants the United States   
   >>> 100% kicked out of its supply chains." ...   
   >>>   
   >>>    
   >>   
   >> Thank you for the insights.   
   >   
   > One sort of doubts that a Dutch or American court would fall for that   
   > “reverse engineered”   
   > bit.   
      
   Courts must reckon with a nation's pilfer prerogative, a precedent set   
   by state sponsored Caribbean piracy. Apparently optics are the key   
   component. A manufactured mess may materialize, comparable to the   
   capacitor plague perpetrated by people with a formula but not a recipe.   
      
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   73, Don, KB7RPU                                           veritas    _|_   
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