From: pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net   
      
   CT Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:   
   > On 02/01/2026 20:06, Phil Hobbs wrote:   
   >> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:   
   >>> On 02/01/2026 13:50, E.Laureti wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> posted:   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>> You were consuming 250W for minutes and generated at most 2 gram force   
   >>>>> if we are to believe your graph and that was using an apparatus that is   
   >>>>> of unstated weight and a lot of energy.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> One thing about spacecraft is that they have to carry all their energy   
   >>>>> source with them. How will your magic carpet be powered?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Doing nothing of PNN experiment, you try to understand what i say   
   >>>> by newtonian physics.   
   >>>> Conclusion : PNN is absurd for  you  :-)   
   >>>   
   >>> Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.   
   >>>   
   >>> All you have provided so far is "proof by dynamic assertion".   
   >>>   
   >>> Yogic flying stands more chance of getting men to Mars!   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> C’mon, Martin, enjoy the fun—historically the real crazies round here   
   have   
   >> been German, Dutch, or Australian, so an Italian one is a novelty. ;)   
   >   
   > True enough.   
   > He does amazingly have a patent application filed with WIPO.   
   >   
   > They must use the same algorithm as USPTO - if your dollars are green   
   > and supplied in sufficient quantity then the application goes onto the   
   > books and then waits for someone to bother to shoot it down.   
      
   That’s not how it works at all.  At least over here, the fees aren’t   
   unreasonable, and there are lots of discounts for small and “micro”   
   entities. I’m in the process of filing one, and it looks like it’ll be   
   around $5k including the patent agent.   
      
   I’m not a lawyer, but I’ve been involved with over 80 patent cases, roughly   
   half prosecuting and half litigating.   The system isn’t perfect, but IME   
   the problems are mostly inherent in a system that tries to give small   
   inventors a chance.   
      
   Specifically, the range of expertise required to make really expert   
   examination of all the applications is impossible for a smallish government   
   department, and farming them out is infeasible for a lot of reasons,   
   especially cost and liability.   
      
   Most patents never go anywhere. The introduction of maintenance fees means   
   that a lot of low-value patents quietly disappear in a few years.   
      
   So I have a few stories, but in general I think the US system works pretty   
   well in practice.   
      
   Cheers   
      
   Phil Hobbs   
      
      
      
   >   
   > It doesn't seem to have occurred to the OP that once published anyone   
   > with the right gear can reproduce his experiment and see for themselves.   
   >   
   > I recall the Fleischmann & Pons heavy water and palladium incident when   
   > for months afterwards it was impossible to buy any of either material.   
   > They were very reputable electrochemists but lousy at calorimetry.   
   >   
      
      
      
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