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   On 05/01/2026 10:43, Bill Sloman wrote:   
   > On 5/01/2026 5:26 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:   
   >> On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 14:21:17 +0000, Martin Brown   
   >> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 02/01/2026 20:06, Phil Hobbs wrote:   
   >>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:   
   >>>>> On 02/01/2026 13:50, E.Laureti wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> posted:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You were consuming 250W for minutes and generated at most 2 gram   
   >>>>>>> force   
   >>>>>>> if we are to believe your graph and that was using an apparatus   
   >>>>>>> that is   
   >>>>>>> of unstated weight and a lot of energy.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> One thing about spacecraft is that they have to carry all their   
   >>>>>>> energy   
   >>>>>>> source with them. How will your magic carpet be powered?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Doing nothing of PNN experiment, you try to understand what i say   
   >>>>>> by newtonian physics.   
   >>>>>> Conclusion : PNN is absurd for  you  :-)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> All you have provided so far is "proof by dynamic assertion".   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Yogic flying stands more chance of getting men to Mars!   
   >>>>   
   >>>> C’mon, Martin, enjoy the fun—historically the real crazies round   
   >>>> here have   
   >>>> been German, Dutch, or Australian, so an Italian one is a novelty. ;)   
   >>>   
   >>> True enough.   
   >>> He does amazingly have a patent application filed with WIPO.   
   >>   
   >> There you go, then. Don't be mean. The poor guy only needs a paltry   
   >> 24m dollars to turn his dream into a reality, so don't you think you   
   >> should give him a break and invest?   
      
   I'd be happy to invest $0.024 in his scheme and you can pay the rest!   
      
   > A significant proportion of these sort of investment opportunities turn   
   > out to be scams. The inventor may be sincere, but they may have   
   > acquaintances who aren't.   
      
   If he was actually genuine then a few tens of billions is about the   
   right order of magnitude to be asking for a serious manned Mars mission.   
      
   And possibly another factor of ten on top of that if you want to get   
   your astronauts back alive. I'd send Musk to test his  rocket ship ;-)   
      
   He is right about one thing though - with present day technology a   
   manned trip to Mars using chemical propulsion is practically a suicide   
   mission. Time spent weightless on the way would require building a   
   robotic hospital on Mars to help them recover from the ordeal of their trip.   
      
   I had a look at the patent application and it is risible. He fails to   
   realise that any heat generated (and there is lots) in the apparatus is   
   thrust lost! Boundary layer friction and convection air currents almost   
   certainly explains the slight "thrust" that he claims to observe.   
   (hint at UHF coating conductors with silver or gold improves things)   
      
   If he could demonstrate a prototype that could accelerate itself at   
   10m/s^s with high energy efficiency then funding would be easy.   
      
   --   
   Martin Brown   
      
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