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   =?UTF-8?Q?Niocl=C3=A1s_P=C3=B3l_Cai to Bill Sloman   
   Re: good post on LinkedIn   
   31 Jan 26 19:16:01   
   
   XPost: comp.arch.embedded   
   From: thanks-to@Taf.com   
      
   In sci.electronics.design Bill Sloman  wrote:   
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   |">> A use of "learned" instead of "learnt" is a regional misuse.|   
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   |> A language is defined by what people say. [. . .]"            |   
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   Dear Doctor Sloman,   
      
   Thanks for informing me about Steenkolenengels.   
      
   I want to quote an old comp.compilers post by its moderator about how   
   FORTRAN programmers are not bothered to consult the FORTRAN standard   
   (circa FORTRAN-66) so they insist that they know FORTRAN when they do   
   not, so a new FORTRAN standard (circa FORTRAN-77) made a   
   backwards-incompatible change to accept this wrong belief of what   
   FORTRAN really is. Alas searching for it takes too long (the 3 search   
   options offered by   
   HTTPS://compilers.IECC.com   
   and the search option offered by   
   HTTPS://groups.Google.com/g/comp.compilers   
   are inconsistent and FTP.IECC.com is not still available).   
      
   Many years ago I downloaded a file by a student claiming that   
   centuries ago English peasants invented "gelded" because they do not   
   know "gelt". I failed to find it for this post, so instead I   
   downloaded files about children who perform overregularisation.   
      
   "Old English had   
   many more irregular verbs than Modern English[. . .]   
   [. . .]   
   [. . .] Most of the grammatical structure of English develops rapidly   
   in the third year of life (31). One conspicuous development is the   
   appearance of overregularizations like comed. Such errors [. . .]"   
   says   
   Steven Pinker, "Rules of Language", "Science", Volume 253, 530, 1991.   
      
   "However, children also face a problem: if they generalise the   
   patterns too far, they’ll say something ungrammatical. If you’ve ever   
   heard a young child talking, it’s likely you’ll have heard them say   
   things like We goed to the park or I sitted down. In these examples,   
   the child has ‘overgeneralised’ the regular –ed ending pattern for   
   making the past tense in English."   
   says   
   HTTPS://news.Liverpool.ac.UK/2014/06/30/becoming-an-expert-amy-b   
   dgood-on-helping-children-learn-what-not-to-say/?   
      
   "This paper is concerned with the formation of past tense in child   
   English. Commissive errors within the realm of English past tense   
   marking are also known under   
   the terms overregularization errors (Kuczaj, 1977, 1978; Stemberger,   
   1982; Marcus   
   et al., 1992; Maratsos, 2000), doubling errors (Hattori, 2003) or   
   overtensing errors   
   (Stemberger, 2007). Overregularization occurs when an irregular verb’s   
   stem is suffixed with the regular past tense marker -ed. The stem can   
   either take the form that   
   also appears in present tense, as shown in (6a), or it can appear in   
   the portmanteau   
   past tense form, which is often a suppletive or ab-/umlauted stem, as   
   shown in (6b).   
   In the latter case, as in the causative domain, a feature, here past   
   tense, is marked   
   twice, once by the stem allomorph and once by -ed, thereby   
   constituting a case of   
   multiple exponence.   
   (6) Overregularization errors   
   a. I eated my breakfast.   
   b. I ated my breakfast."   
   says   
   Johannes Hein, Imke Driemel, Fabienne Martin, Yining Nie, Artemis   
   Alexiadou, "Errors of multiple exponence in child English: a study of   
   past tense formation", "Morphology", 2024.   
      
   A new rule is made by breaking an old rule. Breaking an old rule does   
   not make a new rule right.   
      
   Regards.   
      
   (S. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/ fuer Kontaktdaten!)   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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