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   Stefan Ram to john larkin   
   conservation laws (was: usenet weirdness   
   10 Feb 26 16:56:22   
   
   XPost: sci.physics   
   From: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de   
      
   john larkin  wrote or quoted:   
   >>E = mc^2   
   >Exactly. Mass/energy conversion is one way to create or destroy some   
   >mass in my cannonball.   
      
     "E = mc^2" does not mean, "Mass can be converted to energy and/or   
     vice versa". It means, "When the momentum of a system is zero,   
     its energy is its mass (up to a conversation factor of c^2).".   
      
     In general, the formula for a non-zero momentum p is (with c=1):   
      
   E^2 = m^2 + p^2,   
      
     and since E and p are conserved, m must also be conserved. So this   
     tells us, "Mass is conserved.", exactly the opposite of, "Mass can   
     be converted . . .".   
      
   >Any nonzero effect, no matter how small, would still be real.   
      
     Well, I mentioned "Boltzmann brains" here (in   
     sci.electronics.design) recently, but their energy would not   
     suddenly come from "nothing" or violations of conservation   
     but be redistributed from the surrounding equilibrium state.   
      
   |It is often said that the uncertainty principle means energy   
   |is not strictly conserved in quantum mechanics - that you're   
   |allowed to "borrow" energy delta E, as long as you "pay it   
   |back" in a time delta t approximately hbar / (2 delta E);   
   |the greater the violation, the briefer the period over which   
   |it can occur. Now, there are many legitimate readings of the   
   |energy-time uncertainty principle, but this is not one of   
   |them. Nowhere does quantum mechanics license violation of   
   |energy conservation, and certainly no such authorization   
   |entered into the derivation of Equation 3.76.   
   |But the uncertainty principle is extraordinarily robust: It   
   |can be misused without leading to seriously incorrect   
   |results, and as a consequence physicists are in the habit of   
   |applying it rather carelessly.   
   |   
   Section "3.5.3 The Energy-Time Uncertainty Principle" in   
   "Introduction to Quantum Mechanics" (2018) - David J. Griffiths   
      
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