From: wwm@wwmartin.net
On 2/10/26 11:43, Joe Gwinn wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 10:50:16 -0800, wmartin wrote:
>
>> On 2/10/26 10:11, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 12:47:47 -0500, Joe Gwinn
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 09 Feb 2026 11:00:24 -0800, john larkin
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 06 Feb 2026 19:37:50 -0500, Joe Gwinn
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 06 Feb 2026 15:44:49 -0800, john larkin
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 06 Feb 2026 18:17:31 -0500, Joe Gwinn
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Feb 2026 23:35:39 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/26 22:22, Joe Gwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Feb 2026 17:43:13 +0100, Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/26 15:50, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/26 14:21, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/02/2026 8:26 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/02/2026 1:52 am, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don Y wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I fully expect this to happen during Trump's administration.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He probably realizes he won't be able to do anything about
it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially after his designs on other foreign countries and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alienation of his main allies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ["No, you haven't been ATTACKED by China so Article 5 doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> require us to come to your aid..."]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, more and more manufacturing is TRYING to be
on-shored.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, I suspect that is nowhere near enough to address the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potential of Taiwan going off-line -- even briefly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking back to how screwed up the supply chain got
during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COVID and wonder what manufacturers and investors will do
when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the future is far less certain than a "pandemic".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have sleepwalked into this and the few who have raised the
alarm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been (and still are being) ignored and ridiculed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a wider problem: we have become 'travel junkies' and
rely too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much on transport. "I can get it cheaper from..." doesn't
take into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account the hidden costs such as liability to supply
disruption,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loss of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control over the design and the fundamental need to teach
underlying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> principles and train people in making things themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We haven't got the factories.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We haven't got the machines.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We haven't got the people who know how to operste the
machines.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We haven't got the machines to make the machines.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We haven't got the people who know how to make the machines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We haven't got the material.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We haven't got the undustry to make the materials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the thrall of Greenwash we have simply exported the
'dirty' jobs to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other countries and then added to the pollution by shipping
the goods
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Russia could do to the UK what it is doing to Ukraine, the
country
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would have to surrender within a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the UK ignored the fact that it has it's own nuclear
weapons and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means to deliver them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has it? I thought they were dependent on the U.S. for
delivery.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The ballistic missiles were manufactured in the US, but they do
seem
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be under UK control. The proposition that the US engineered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> secret backdoors to let them disable the weapons if they were
pointed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at a target that the US hadn't approved is one that every
conspiracy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory nut would bring forward, but UK military security is even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deeper into daft conspiracy theories than internet lunatics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is software-controlled these days. If you thought that
>>>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly checking the source code for backdoors will protect
you,
>>>>>>>>>>>> you should read this:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Reflections on trusting trust", by Ken thompson
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll never trust a compiler again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeroen Belleman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's a classic reference, never refuted.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is more background:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for following up on myself. I just read that text again and
>>>>>>>>>>> noticed that Ken refers to some obscure US airforce document
>>>>>>>>>>> where he first learned of this trick.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am I a conspiracy nut for thinking that, if it ever comes to an
>>>>>>>>>>> armed conflict with the US, all those F35s they sold us would
>>>>>>>>>>> just drop out of the sky?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One reason is to prevent one's own weapons being used against one by
>>>>>>>>>> the winner of a revolution who inherited a military.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We'd better buy Saab or Dassault!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All that does is change who the master shall be.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That last point is true, of course, in the general case,
>>>>>>>>> but I intended it to refer to the current rogue. Sweden
>>>>>>>>> and France are still reliable allies. The US, not so much.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The current rogues will not live forever, and their replacements may
>>>>>>>> or may not be better.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> France is 5.7% of NATO, and Sweden is far smaller.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ukraine has caused the scales to fall from many eyes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If they had indeed taken Kyiv in five days, what would the Russians
>>>>>>> want next? Great Rus' all over again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They can have Alaska. The food's not very good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't eat the minerals?
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