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   From: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl   
      
   Bill Sloman  wrote:   
      
   > On 24/02/2026 7:08 am, J. J. Lodder wrote:   
   > > Bill Sloman  wrote:   
   > >   
   > >> On 23/02/2026 5:38 pm, Ross Finlayson wrote:   
   > > [-]   
   > >>> I mostly see Spinoza as an echo of Duns Scotus,   
   > >>> then though the "men are natural enemies" I don't get,   
   > >>> sort of like that Calvinism is disagreeable.   
   > >>   
   > >> Jonathon Israel got very interested in Spinoza and points out that a lot   
   > >> of Roman Catholic theologians got very interested in Spinoza and spent a   
   > >> century or so trying to prove him wrong. I don't think that Duns Scotus   
   > >> generated anything like as much interest.   
   > >>   
   > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Israel   
   > >   
   > > You might also like Steven Nadler on Spinoza,   
   > > and why he was so controversial, then and still.   
   > > "A Book Forged In Hell".   
   > > Theologians of various kinds were not merely 'interested'.   
   > >   
   > > [-]   
   > >> Greek philosophy was great at getting hold of the wrong end of the stick.   
   > >   
   > > Ah, you have the right end?   
   >   
   > I'm not a philosopher. How could I possibly know?   
      
   Then how could you know that 'the Greek philosophers' (whoever)   
   usually got the wrong end?   
      
   Jan   
      
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