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|    Peter W. to All    |
|    Re: Fire shutoff    |
|    19 Jul 22 03:58:27    |
      From: peterwieck33@gmail.com               Charles, you need to remember that this venue exists to provide overly       complex solutions to simple problems after extensive discussions of picayune       and irrelevant issues.              The OP wanted a device to shut off a whole-house exhaust fan if a fire (or       smoke) is detected. Depending on what is already there, he has various       options. They are not complicated, do not require specialized skills and are       not overly costly.        The OP is not discussing an ANSUL system. And, given what I do for a living, I       would _NEVER_ even suggest or refer to an ANSUL system in a normal family       residence. I would suggest a good Class K fire extinguisher if one is that       heavily into it that a        standard ABC device would not be appropriate.               Sprinklers? That is an issue in itself. New-Code around here does require       residential sprinkler systems under some circumstances. In new construction,       they are merely costly. For existing construction, they can be extremely       costly. Doing the math on our        house as an example, it would take roughly forty (40) heads to include       closets, turns, hallways and such. More if I could not use side-spray heads.       Would "city pressure" be enough, or would I have to boost? 80 psi is required       at full-flow, so no, city        pressure (60 psi on the third floor - I know) would not be adequate. And,       should there be an associated power-failure to the fire - Oops - now I need a       fuel-fired pump. Note that we live in a center-hall colonial built in 1890.       Not an easy finagle to get        piping anywhere not already established. Even using a flex material (PEX or       Vic-Flex).               So, the best advice under other-than-extreme conditions is to keep the       smoke-detectors up-to-date, test them regularly, and RESPOND to them when they       go off. Have the appropriate fire extinguishers in the appropriate locations,       and even fire one off        every so often to be familiar with their use. CO Detectors if one burns fuel       in unvented or conventionally vented devices, and so forth. KISS              Common sense isn't.               Now, you want some irony? About 30 years ago, I was involved in a forensic       investigation of a residential fire in a house built in 1795, but fully       upgraded over the years. The owner had just upgraded his 100A service to a       200A service so as to install        central AC, and also a brand new whole-house fire alarm, with all the bells,       whistles, devices and so forth that were current in the 1990s. Local code then       required that said fire alarm be powered directly from the mains, without a       fuse or breaker. So,        what did our clever electrician do? He connected the feed to the alarm       (Copper) into the mains at the lugs (Aluminum). This being a fairly standard       house in Chestnut Hill, PA, the basement was typically damp. Well, the       aluminum started to talk hard to        the copper, and between the two of them, sparks started to fly. *POOF*. Took a       mere 45 days from installation. The 200A Panel was a puddle of steel on the       floor. The fire got hot enough to ignite 200-year-old rough-sawn SLYP joists.       Not easy. And, once        they get started, they go.               Peter Wieck       Melrose Park, PA               --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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