From: ohg...@gmail.com   
      
   On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 4:46:53 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:   
   > On 24/07/2022 4:11 am, ohg...@gmail.com wrote:    
      
   > > Agnostic here..   
   > **A fence-sitter. Have the courage of your convictions.   
      
      
   I'm not a fence sitter.  I'm just honest enough to say that I don't know - but   
   I am honest with myself.  If anything, admitting I don't know takes more   
   courage than if I were to blindly accept a theory that can't be proven.  No   
   matter how theoretical    
   physicists spin a "big bang" theory, they can't show any evidence or create in   
   a lab anything from a big box of nothing, and there are plenty of scientists   
   who say this out loud.  There is no more evidence for a natural big bang start   
   to the universe    
   than there is for a supernatural intelligent creator.  In other words none.    
   Until I see some evidence either way, my opinion won't change.   
      
      
      
      
   > One thing I've learned reading just about everything well known    
   > theoretical physicists say is that they don't have a *clue* how the    
   > universe started or, more importantly, *why* there is even a universe at    
   > all. Further, many of those scientists remain as believing in    
   > intelligent design despite years of study.   
   > **Bullshit. 'Intelligent Design' is just 'Creationsim' re-invented.    
      
      
   Fine, call it what you will.  I always thought Intelligent Design and   
   Creationism were the same thing but maybe there's a distinction I'm unaware   
   of, but there are scientists who do believe in intelligent design/creationism.    
      
      
      
   >Scientists are quite certain about how the universe began,    
   > down to within a few microseconds after the big bang occurred.   
   >   
      
   No, some *say* they know, but they don't.  Any opinion they have is their own   
   not supported by any scientific data that can even begin to explain why the   
   universe even exists at all.   
      
   The same goes for any sky daddy.  Creationists (or Intelligent Design) run   
   into the same problem that the Big Bang folks do when explaining their side:   
   there is no evidence to explain when and where this god appeared and what   
   existed before him/her/it/   
   they.  Their only answer is to say that he/she/it/they always existed.  That   
   is just as unsupported in any scientific fact as Big Bang is.    
      
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