XPost: alt.home.repair, sci.eletctronics.design, rec.autos.tech   
   From: NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com   
      
   In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 27 Jul 2023 00:39:03 +0100, Brian Gregory   
    wrote:   
      
   >On 25/07/2023 11:04, micky wrote:   
   >> When a cellphone is a hotspot and it streams web-radio to a real radio   
   >> (in this case the car radio) is there any feedback from the radio to the   
   >> cellphone or the app that is running?   Would the app know if I had   
   >> turned the radio off, or changed input so it was no longer detecting and   
   >> playing the cellphone signal?   
   >   
   >A real radio doesn't connect to a hotspot. It receives radio signals.   
   >So what are you talking about?   
   >   
   >Hotspot usually refers to a Wi-Fi hotspot.   
      
   Yes, I meant bluetooth.   
   >   
   >Perhaps the "real" radio is an internet radio?   
      
   No, the original car radio.   
      
   >If so it's up to the software or app running in the "real" radio what it   
   >sends back.   
   >   
   >ON the other hand perhaps you are referring to a bluetooth connection   
   >from the phone to the "real" radio which is acting as a Bluetooth speaker?   
   >   
   >In that case the app in the phone may stop or pause when the "real"   
   >radio disconnects, or it may not.   
      
   Well, after Jim's answer, I watched the app, and the app stops playing   
   in less than 2 seconds.  When I have the radio go back to pplaying, if   
   the app restarts playing -- sometimes it doesn't -- it takes less than 2   
   seconds   
   >   
   >> It seems very unlikely to me, but I can't keep up with new advances in   
   >> tech.   And it would account for what seems to be happening.   
   >>   
   >> Specifically, I listen to CNN or MSNBC on the Tunein app and it streams,   
   >> is that the right word, through the car radio.  The free version of   
   >> Tunein is free but you pay by having to listen to mannnny commercials.   
   >>   
   >> One in particular annoys me.  It's a commercial for Aramco.  A feel-good   
   >> ad using a woman's mellifluous voice, talking in cliches about the   
   >> future, etc.  They don't mention its full name, Saudi Aramco, or that   
   >> its majority owner is Saudi Arabia.  SA seems to have decided it wants   
   >> to improve its image, after the murder of Adnan Khashoggi and   
   >> allegations of war crimes in Yemen, and they seem to be starting with   
   >> Aramco.   
      
   And Aramco itself is also responsible for 2 oil boycotts of the USA and   
   for raising prices for political reasons.  I understand that they have   
   only so much oil and eventually they will be like a 50-year old football   
   player, who should have made as much money as he could when he was   
   younger, but it's the political reasons I object to.   And I'm sure they   
   have not stopped, despite their feel-good radio commercials.   
   >   
   >Adnan Khashoggi is, as far as I know fine. Perhaps you mean his nephew   
   >Jamal?   
      
   Yes, I'm sure I do. I didn't notice they had the same last name.   
   >   
   >> Tunein has a practice of running the same commercial over and over and   
   >> over, several times an hour all day long.   If one listens to broadcast   
   >> tv or radio, different programs have their own set of commericals, so   
   >> they change as the day goes on, and it's not annoying, but Tunein plays   
   >> the same ones all the time.  And in many cases it plays the same one   
   >> several times an hour. The Aramco commercial runs 5 or 6 times an hour.   
   >> And it's part of a series of ads that take 3 or 4 minutes, maybe longer.   
   >>   
   >> So in the car, I used to change to FM while waiting for the ads to end,   
   >> and then I'd forget and listen to FM for 10 or 20 minutes, and when I   
   >> went back to Tunein, it is almost always in the middle of another Aramco   
   >> commercial.   Yesterday this happened 4 times in a row, one break and   
   >> then another 4 times.   
   >>   
   >> So now I'm starting to wonder if it could be the same commercial, that   
   >> was on pause while I was listening to FM???   Or while the radio was off   
   >> altogether??  Is that possible?  That the app knew the signal was not   
   >> beling played through the radio?  Finally I've taken to turning down the   
   >> volume so I don't hear it. The app certainly doesn't know ablut that,   
   >> and it seems to work, or must it be my imagination?   
   >   
   >   
   >What radio station are you listening to using Tunein Radio?   
      
   CNN and MSNBC mostly.   
      
   >As far as I know Tunein don't add their own commercials, except maybe at   
      
   I'm sure they do.   
      
   >the beginning immediately after you choose and start playing a radio   
   >station, though it's difficult to tell, some of the stations do that too.   
      
   They do play an ad at the beginming, but also in middle.  Sometimes   
   tthey seem to go longer, but on those two stations every 10 or 12   
   minutes and since they play the very same ads on each, for Saudi Aramco,   
   for some brand of mayonaisse, for WGU online college, etc. I'm sure   
   Tunein is providing themn.   
      
   They may play many fewer when it's C-span radio or an NPR station,   
   because I suppose they get those stations for free or almost for free.   
   compared to commercial raadio.   
      
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