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   Carlos E.R. to Jeroni Paul   
   Re: Ground fault switch aka residual-cur   
   08 Aug 23 23:42:32   
   
   From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2023-08-08 16:45, Jeroni Paul wrote:   
   > Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >> Same problem as if I am in the bath, somebody else in the kitchen, the   
   >> RCD triggers, the other person resets it manually and immediately. It   
   >> will not hold.   
   >   
   > Bad idea. Water pipes and water heaters are earthed together with the rest   
   of appliances,   
      
   Not here, no.   
      
   > if any has a short to ground it will be dumping the full mains voltage to   
   the water pipes. If all is well this will trip the protector fast enough to   
   save your life assuming you was taking a bath. Think about it, you really want   
   to keep trying to see    
   if it keeps saving your life again and again?? Don't forget the protector   
   could eventually fail as well.   
   >   
   > Also keep in mind that when "it will not hold", it is connecting the power   
   back for some milliseconds. It has no other way to detect a leak than to apply   
   power and check. I would not keep trying if someone is in the bath.   
   >   
   >> This is certainly bad wiring, but I fail to see why it would make the   
   >> RCD trigger every day at 6:30, when there was a voltage surge from the   
   >> transformer station. The electrician that found the problem was baffled.   
   >   
   > My theory is that asymmetric wiring will behave like an antenna, a magnetic   
   pulse for example from lighting, strong interference or heavy machinery nearby   
   will induce a current in one wire different than the other. Also the opposite,   
   all transients and    
   spikes coming from mains will be radiated more from one wire than the other   
   resulting in an imbalance. Not to mention different stray capacitance and   
   inductance caracteristics from the different wiring paths affecting the   
   response to fast transients.   
      
   --   
   Cheers, Carlos.   
      
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