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|    Peter W. to All    |
|    Re: help solving an HF radio amps issues    |
|    11 Sep 23 12:05:08    |
      From: peterwieck33@gmail.com              > I've suggested possible RFI issues somehow causing the issue, but this        > is just a guess. I'm just as perplexed as he is.               I am going to offer a solution based on an audio model as it seems to cover       both your conditions. But, first, let me reframe the conditions and results to       make sure I am understanding it correctly.              Condition A: When he modulates rF into an rF amplifier at a low level, all is       well.               Condition B: When he modulates rF into an rF amplifier at full output, he       either blows the fuse (solid-state amp), or fries the output tubes (tube amp):              If that is a correct understanding here is a potential diagnosis - and       suggestion:              Under Condition A, the secondary amplifier is not modulating anywhere near 500       watts. And so is not under any stress. Just as I have a 250wpc stereo amp at       home being fed from a pre-amp with roughly 2 volt maximum output, but running,       typically, at about        0.02 watts. Peak-to-average in this case is 20 dB. The power-amp may run the       very rare 200-watt peak, but most of the time it is running at far less.               Under Condition B, the system is modulating at the "FULL" 500 watts. Were my       power-amp to modulate at its maximum outlet, even briefly (more than a few       seconds), it would be pulling very nearly 30 amps at the wallplate - i.e.:       Blowing fuses. My 75wpc        tube amp would handle it somewhat better, but were it to be expected to do it       for over those few seconds, it would red-plate the tubes in short order. Given       its class, what it draws at full output and quiescent is not substantially       different - lots of        waste in tube designs, all those filaments, so it would red-plate before       blowing a fuse - they exist to protect the transformers.               So, I think your friend has a fundamental misunderstanding (if my contentions       and interpretations are correct) on how amplifiers work. They have a rating -       which is what they can deliver cleanly for some period of time at a certain       input level. But they        are not (usually) designed to operate at full peak modulation, all the time.               Peter Wieck       Melrose Park, PA              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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