From: cd@notformail.com   
      
   On Mon, 2 Dec 2024 16:08:33 +0100, "Carlos E.R."   
    wrote:   
      
   >On 2024-12-02 15:25, Roger Hayter wrote:   
   >> On 2 Dec 2024 at 13:40:34 GMT, ""UFO""  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> We try to but since China makes them now as throw away   
   >>> non repairable cheap goods and sells them global, they should   
   >>> be who leads the cleanup.   
   >>   
   >> This is wildly untrue. What makes things "throw away" is that we can make   
   them   
   >> so cheaply that the labour to repair them is too expensive for it to be   
   >> economic. But modern electronic goods are orders of magnitude more reliable   
   >> than the consumer electronic goods of yesteryear, so the problem is *not*   
   the   
   >> quality of the goods.   
   >   
   >Well... take a programmable timer. Eventually they fail, because the   
   >battery in them fail. But they are manufactured without screws that one   
   >can undo. That is China fault.   
      
   China's no worse than anyone else. You could say the same about   
   Mercedes Benz or BMW. The amount of stuff that ends up in landfill or   
   shipped abroad for disposal is a huge scandal and ought to be THE   
   prime environmental concern - not some nonsense about CO2, which is   
   harmless and not to blame for 'global warming' in any way.   
   What's needed is for governments to mandate a right to repair on all   
   new goods. Wasn't the EU supposed to be doing something of that sort   
   years ago? Why haven't they?   
      
   >> What needs investing in the safe recycling of electronic parts, and I would   
   >> suggest that both consumers and manufacturers should be responsible for   
   this.   
   >>   
      
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