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|    Re: is something subtle about proofing t    |
|    30 Oct 21 08:53:49    |
      From: maple@rogers.com              On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-4, acer wrote:       > On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 3:03:32 AM UTC-4, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:       > > since sqrt of number is taken as the positive root, why       > > then Maple 2021.1 says it can't show this is true or not? Is       > > there something deep I am overlooking here?       > >       > > if evalb( 5^(1/2) < (5^(1/2)+1) ) then       > > "yes, smaller";       > > fi;       > >       > > Error, cannot determine if this expression is true or false: 5^(1/2) <       5^(1/2)+1       > >       > > if 5^(1/2) < (5^(1/2)+1) then       > > "yes, smaller";       > > fi;       > >       > > Error, cannot determine if this expression is true or false: 5^(1/2) <       5^(1/2)+1       > >       > > But in Mathematica it did not complain       > >       > > 5^(1/2) < (5^(1/2) + 1)       > > True       > >       > > This is very strange. Does your CAS have any problem showing       > > that 5^(1/2) is smaller than 5^(1/2)+1?       > >       > > In Maple, it can do it if I convert everything to float       > >       > > if evalf(5^(1/2)) < evalf((5^(1/2)+1)) then       > > "yes, smaller";       > > fi;       > >       > > "yes, smaller"       > >       > > --Nasser       > You are simply using the wrong command, `evalb`, instead of an appropriate       command such as `is`.       >       > > evalb( 5^(1/2) < (5^(1/2)+1) );       > 1/2 1/2       > 5 < 5 + 1       >       > > is( 5^(1/2) < (5^(1/2)+1) );       > true       >       > Your incorrect preconceptions as to the designed functionality of the       `evalb` command are getting in your way here.              I could add that the functionality changes according to the `type` of the       input, for a clear programmatic distinction.              The `evalb` command tests an inequality if the arguments are of type       `numeric`, in Maple's technical sense of the `type` command. And that type       does not include exact radicals (though it does include, say, rationals and       floats).              For strict equality testing the functionality is also according to that same       `numeric` type. But in this case the remaining cases are subjested to a pure       address check (which is a structural rather than a mathematical comparison).              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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