From: dbrooks@runforyourlife.org   
      
   On 8/10/24 4:32 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:   
      
   > On 8/10/2024 4:40 PM, Dudley Brooks wrote:   
      
   >> On 8/10/24 2:50 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 8/10/2024 2:21 PM, Dudley Brooks wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> I clicked on a message here and got a "Not Found" error.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I then clicked on "Delete All Expired Messages" ... and the entire   
   >>>> ng contents disappeared except for the single post "LLM and Prolog,   
   >>>> a Marriage in Heaven? (Re: 42 is the answer)" !!!   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Is this true???  Is there really nothing in this ng???  Or is this   
   >>>> some bug in Thunderbird.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Someone please post and let me know that No, everything really is   
   >>>> still here.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Then I can try to figure out the TB bug or switch to a different ng   
   >>>> reader.   
   >>>   
   >>> TB works fine with this newsgroup. This forum is one that only sees   
   >>> posts when there is something to say. Almost all of the traffic   
   >>> consists of descriptions of symbolic systems' tests and statistics   
   >>> that compare these systems. There is also some discussions of what is   
   >>> tested and how as well as system idiosyncrasies that may cause   
   >>> anomalous results.   
   >>>   
   >>> Running tests is labor intensive and there are time gaps between   
   >>> these runs to think about how to grow the test suite. In addition,   
   >>> there is no point in running and reporting unless either some systems   
   >>> have released newer versions or the testing itself has been updated.   
   >>>   
   >>> Every once in a while, one of the testers either releases new results   
   >>> and/ or asks for comments then an appropriate conversation will   
   >>> follow. Occasionally an interloper such as you or I will pop in and   
   >>> there is a little flurry of messages. Otherwise, this forum is here   
   >>> for a dedicated group of people who are interested and knowledgeable   
   >>> in symbolic mathematics when they have something to say.   
   >>   
   >> That's fine.  That's why I'm interested in the ng.   
   >>   
   >> But my question was not about what the ng is FOR, or how often anyone   
   >> posts.   
   >>   
   >> It was about whether there are ANY MESSAGES AT ALL in the ng!   
   >>   
   >> My experience was this:   
   >>   
   >> Every time this ng shows that it has a new posting, I open the ng.   
   >>   
   >> I always see the new posting ... and I always see the large number of   
   >> old postings.  (I don't remember offhand what the number is.)   
   >>   
   >> I click on TB's "Show unread" so that I can focus on whatever is new.   
   >>   
   >> For each new post (and yes, in this ng that is never very many) I   
   >> either read it or click it Unread.   
   >>   
   >> I then click on Show All ... and there, once again, are the large   
   >> number of old, and formerly new but now old, postings.   
   >>   
   >> Today I did exactly that ... except ...   
   >>   
   >> After clicking on Show All, I saw an old one which seemed interesting,   
   >> so I clicked on it to read it ...   
   >>   
   >> ... and it gave an Expired message.   
   >>   
   >> So I clicked on TB's Delete All Expired Messages ...   
   >>   
   >> ... and EVERYTHING DISAPPEARED, except for the one single message   
   >> which I saw above!  The entire message list pane was blank except for   
   >> that one message!   
   >>   
   >> I thought maybe I had clicked on Show Unread again, but I had not.  It   
   >> was still on Show All ... and All was only a single message!   
   >>   
   >> So I ask you.  When you look at this ng right now, how many messages   
   >> are you seeing?   
   >>   
   >> Because I'm only seeing three messages IN THE ENTIRE NG: The one I   
   >> mention above, my question, and your answer.  NOTHING ELSE!   
   >   
   > I see your two messages, a prior one from me, and a fourth from "Mild   
   > Shock". You DO know that TB has retention settings for news groups and   
   > news group servers? Those settings can effect what you are able to see   
   > and when to delete msg copies on your machine.   
   >   
   > Just recall the point I tried to make above: message traffic to this   
   > group occurs at sort of random times and it occurs in spurts. What YOU   
   > will see and what YOU will retain depends on when you look and the   
   > retention policies you have imposed.   
      
   Ah!  That makes sense.  I didn't know about TB's retention settings -- I   
   never knowingly made any setting.   
      
   I'll check it out.  Thanks!   
      
      
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