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   clicliclic@freenet.de to Waldek Hebisch   
   Re: Announce: FriCAS 1.2.4 has been rele   
   14 Feb 15 19:19:46   
   
   Waldek Hebisch schrieb:   
   >   
   > clicliclic@freenet.de wrote:   
   > >   
   > > Rationalizing by substitution belongs to the 18th century (the age   
   > > of the Bernoullis and Euler), for a Risch integrator it amounts to   
   > > admitting defeat!   
   >   
   > Of course I would like to handle such integrals using general   
   > code.  But when there is rationalizing substitution, then   
   > execution time is usualy much better compared to full Trager   
   > procedure.  So this is desirable optimization.   
   >   
      
   Your use of the term optimization is futuristic in that it is relative   
   to a procedure that has been described but not been implemented in   
   FriCAS or elsewhere.   
      
   > >   
   > > Alternatively, Kauers' Groebner-basis heuristics could be resorted   
   > > to when an algebraic integral is pronounced ">> ... impossible". He   
   > > does it in about ten lines of code ...   
   >   
   > Ten lines of pseudo code.  Real code that only handles very simple   
   > case is already longer.  More complicated cases need code which   
   > introduces extra variables.  The real problem is exection time.   
   > I could add to FriCAS few lines of code (probably more than 10)   
   > that will "handle" general case.  But ATM there is no hope that   
   > such code would finish execution in reasonable time.  Groebner   
   > bases do well in simple cases, but may also lead to enormous   
   > execution time.  At least theoretically Trager procedure has   
   > lower complexity than Groebner bases, so it is not clear if   
   > adding Groebner bases to the mix helps.   
   >   
      
   And also about ten lines of Mathematica code in the Appendix - but this   
   line count does not include a separate interface package used to access   
   Singular on whose Groebner basis engine the code relies (without real   
   need, I suppose).   
      
   So everybody is holding their breath in expectation of a full   
   implementation of Trager's futuristic procedure in some FriCAS version   
   1.2.x with 5

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