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|    Albert Rich to Richard Fateman    |
|    Re: what is integrate(x^n,x). What is n/    |
|    19 Jun 15 19:20:34    |
      From: Albert_Rich@msn.com              On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 9:43:10 AM UTC-10, Richard Fateman wrote:              [...}       > HOWEVER       > There is another integral of x^n, namely z= (x^(n+1)-1)/(n+1).       > It differs from the usual answer by 1/(n+1), which is just another       > value for "plus a constant":)       >        > why is z preferable? the limit of z as n -> -1 is -- magically -- log(x).       >        > so One Might Argue that integrate(x^n,x) is better expressed by       > (x^(n+1)-1)/(n+1) VALID FOR ALL values of n including n=-1 if you just        > take the limit.       >        > I know of no CAS that return this value, and presumably RUBI testers       > would reject it as not being optimal from the perspective of leafcount.       > Even though it might be "more correct". It could easily be changed       > in Maxima, unless the benchmark gives some guff.              I guess you do not know of Derive which has long returned (x^(n+1)-1)/(n+1)       for the antiderivative of x^n, precisely for the reason you give above. But       when Derive IS able to determine that n is not -1, it returns the simpler       antiderivative x^(n+1)/(n+1)       . BTW, Rubi always returns the simpler antiderivative, but users are free to       change its behavior to mimic that of Derive by making a simple edit to just       one of Rubi's 6000+ rules.              As far as testing antiderivatives for optimality, leaf count is only one of       many factors that should be taken into account. Others include continuity,       imaginary unit free, elementary vs. advanced functions, finite limiting       values, and most importantly        validity over the complex plane. Programs that compare the results of various       systems on large test suites should take into account all these factors, and       ignore quibbles over minor differences in leafcounts that result from putting       answers over common        denominators, etc.              Albert              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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