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|    antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl to clicliclic@freenet.de    |
|    Re: alarum: Risch integrator fails to di    |
|    17 Jan 17 19:18:05    |
      clicliclic@freenet.de wrote:       >       > oldk1331@gmail.com schrieb:       > >       > > > > I think there is no symbolic result for       > > > > "integrate((1 + x)/((1 + x + x^2)*(a + b*x^3)^(1/3)), x)".       > > > > When a,b are integers, FriCAS can give symbolic results.       >       > > > Wow - we could all become world-famous if this proves to be the       > > > first parametrized algebraic integrand with this property!       > >       > > Can you be more clear with that? Just to clarify, I test a,b with       > > some prime numbers, and FriCAS always gives result.       > >       >       > You appeared to be contemplating the violation of a principle supported       > by extensive observation:       >       > Let f(p,x) be an algebraic function in both arguments; if, with respect       > to x, f(p,x) possesses an elementary antiderivative for an infinite       > number of complex parameter values p, then it possesses a single       > symbolic elementary antiderivative F(p,x) that holds for all complex       > values of p.       >       > Proof (or disproof) of the principle is left to our top experts in       > symbolic integration theory.       >              Look at              http://koutschan.de/conf/ICMS16/davenport.pdf              starting from page 25. It seems that we need to limit       how parameter is choosen, otherwise there is a       couterexample. The claim appeared as a theorem, but       recently couterexample was discovered, so there       remain some work to find correct statement. IIUC       the case when you substitute integers is considerd       to be proved.              --        Waldek Hebisch              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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