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|    clicliclic@freenet.de to clicliclic@freenet.de    |
|    Re: alarum: Risch integrator fails to di    |
|    31 Jan 17 17:39:58    |
      clicliclic@freenet.de schrieb:       >       > antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl schrieb:       > >       > > My calculations indicate that points of order 3 correspond to       > > u^2 = 1 +- 2*sqrt(3)/3. FriCAS says that integal is nonelementary,       > > so something is wrong. Theory behind example is simple, so       > > I believe it. I am not sure about points, but this is probably       > > correct. So it remains to check FriCAS :(       > >       >       > A simple theory should allow to read off simple antiderivatives for       > the order-3 integrands.       >       > I suppose you have tried the integral on Axiom as well - the problem       > would have to be quite old then.       >       > The points of order 3, 6 and 8 determined by me correspond to the       > following three pairs of integrals:       >       > INT(x/((3*x^2 + 2*SQRT(2) - 3)*SQRT(x^3 - x)), x) = ?       >       > INT(x/((3*x^2 - 2*SQRT(2) - 3)*SQRT(x^3 - x)), x) = ?       >       > INT(x/((x^2 + 2*SQRT(2) + 3)*SQRT(x^3 - x)), x) = ?       >       > INT(x/((x^2 - 2*SQRT(2) + 3)*SQRT(x^3 - x)), x) = ?       >       > INT(x/((x^2 + 2*SQRT(10*SQRT(2) + 14) + 4*SQRT(2) + 5)*SQRT(x^3 - x)),       > x) = ?       >       > INT(x/((x^2 - 2*SQRT(10*SQRT(2) + 14) + 4*SQRT(2) + 5)*SQRT(x^3 - x)),       > x) = ?       >       > So your result for order 3 is confirmed. I derived these x^2 - u^2 from       > a recursive definition of the division polynomials and then checked the       > points [u,v] by iterating the group operation.       >       > I should mention that my statements about Goursat integrability       > referred to Moebius mappings realizing the dihedral group D_2       > (isomorphic to the Klein four-group K_4) only; the special nature of       > the radicand x^3 - x may open other possibilities (thus, x <-> 1/x       > swaps two roots and preserves the remaining two). Compare Goursat pp.       > 113-118 for x^3 - 1.       >              Actually, Goursat considered the special radicand x^3 - x as well (on       pp. 118-119) and concludes that no special pseudo-elliptic cases arise.       I tend to believe him.              The substitution x <-> 1/x takes the integral into itself, with u       replaced by 1/u. Thus my pair of order-6 integrals is equivalent to the       order-3 one.              Meanwhile I can confirm that the order-3 integrals are elementary. The       antiderivatives take less than 1000 Bytes to write down.              Martin.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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