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   antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl to Clark Smith   
   Re: The Risch algorithm   
   13 Apr 17 02:18:37   
   
   Clark Smith  wrote:   
   > On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:43:24 -0700, Richard Fateman wrote:   
   >   
   > > On 4/12/2017 12:19 PM, Clark Smith wrote:   
   > >>      Are there any symbolic systems these days that ship with a full   
   > >> implementation of the Risch algorithm?   
   > >>   
   > > 1. Probably not.   
   > > 2. It is not an algorithm.   
   > >   
   > > Why do you ask?   
   >   
   >         Out of curiosity - I seem to recall that Axiom, when it was   
   > called Scratchpad, claimed to have a near complete implementation.   
      
   "near complete" is very imprecise statement.  In particular how   
   you measure "nearness".  Even quite incomplete system may show   
   good results on simple minded test, so looking at performance   
   may give too rosy picture.  Another point of view is to look   
   how much code in missing compared to complete implementation.   
   Currently there is no complete implementation of full algorthm,   
   so such criteria is hard to apply.  For transcendental part   
   FriCAS has complete implementation (based on Axiom).  Axiom   
   used about 8000 lines of code for integration of which probably   
   about 4000 lines were specific to algebraic part.  So we   
   can estimate transcendental part at less than 4000 lines.   
   To get complete implementation in transcendental case   
   FriCAS added about 2500 lines of code.  In the process   
   Axiom implementation was simplified and about 1000 lines   
   of code were removed.  Some of removed parts were replaced   
   by new code, but some simplifications would be possible   
   even without adding new code.  So we get somewhat fuzzy estimante   
   that Axiom had 60-70% of needed code -- I my book missing   
   30% is fairly incomplete.   
      
   Compared to Axiom FriCAS can handle more algebraic cases,   
   but still there are quite large gaps.   
      
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