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|    Richard Fateman to Albert Rich    |
|    Re: can your system handle 4th-root pseu    |
|    20 Sep 17 21:30:03    |
      From: fateman@cs.berkeley.edu              On 9/18/2017 10:53 PM, Albert Rich wrote:       > As Martin makes clear, these exercises are pseudo-elliptic integrals,       meaning they can be expressed in terms of elementary, non-elliptic functions.        And as the antiderivatives given above show, they are relatively simple       expressions easy to evaluate        numerically.              There are two atans, an atanh, one log, some fourth roots and square       roots, but       there also seem to be common subexpressions.       This formula would be fairly easy to evaluate       numerically. However, the time to produce that formula symbolically       must also be considered. Possibly add in the time to convert it to       a numerical program (optimized to reduce the redundant computation).       This cost could be amortized across the number of times the       formula is evaluated. If it is evaluated many times, it might       be a winner. That's certainly one argument I have made.               If the process is followed to get one or a few points,       it is less clear. Also sometimes there is an issue, as       Albert points out, that the integration result may be       poorly behaved. I don't know if this correlates 100%       to misbehavior in the integrand.              Here's an example illustrating a hazard where the formula       is a loser. I don't know if Rubi gets this, but Mathematica gets       a formula with 64 distinct terms, each with atan, atanh, some with logs,       and 32 different sines and cosines ...       vs. the simple integrand below..              integrate(1/(x^64+1),x)                            details       http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.25.7855              I think we have to keep an open mind on what is best, not knowing       in advance what people will do next with our results. :)       RJF              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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