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|    clicliclic@freenet.de to clicliclic@freenet.de    |
|    Re: fyi, new build of CAS integration te    |
|    01 Nov 17 00:52:50    |
      clicliclic@freenet.de schrieb:       >       > Albert Rich schrieb:       > >       > > On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 6:21:59 AM UTC-10, clicl...@freenet.de       wrote:       > >       > > > I believe that:       > > >       > > > SQRT(x^2/(1 + SQRT(x^2 - 1))^2)*(1 + SQRT(x^2 - 1))/x = x/SQRT(x^2)       > > >       > > > FriCAS will probably squeal, but can Mathematica or Maple validate       > > > or invalidate this simplification?       > > >       > >       > > Dividing both sides of the proposed identity by (1+sqrt(x^2-1))/x       > > gives       > >       > > sqrt(x^2/(1+sqrt(x^2-1))^2) = sqrt(x^2)/(1+SQRT(x^2-1))       > >       > > which is an equation of the form sqrt(z^2)=z with       > > z=sqrt(x^2)/(1+SQRT(x^2-1)).       > >       > > sqrt(z^2)=z is valid iff re(z)>=0 for all complex z. Thus to prove       > > the proposed identity need to show re(sqrt(x^2)/(1+SQRT(x^2-1)))>=0       > > for all complex x. Any ideas?       > >       >       > I think your equivalence must be amended as follows:       >       > sqrt(z^2) = z iff re(z) > 0 or (re(z) = 0 and im(z) >= 0)       >       > And for simplicity one may consider:       >       > z = re(sqrt(w)/(1+sqrt(w-1)))       >       > for all complex numbers w = x^2.       >              There doesn't seem to be much interest in this, so here's my sketch of       a proof. By use of:               RE(a/b) >= 0 IFF RE(a*CONJ(b)) = RE(a)*RE(b) + IM(a)*IM(b) >= 0              the proof of RE(z) >= 0 becomes straightforward:               RE(SQRT(w)/(1+SQRT(w-1))) >= 0               RE(SQRT(w))*RE(1+SQRT(w-1)) + IM(SQRT(w))*IM(SQRT(w-1)) >= 0              which holds because of:               RE(SQRT(w)) >= 0, RE(1+SQRT(w-1)) >= 1,               IM(SQRT(w)) >= 0 IFF IM(SQRT(w-1)) >= 0              in consideration of the complex phases with special attention paid to       0 < w < 1.              It remains to establish that RE(z) = 0 AND IM(z) < 0 never happens.       RE(z) = 0 requires RE(SQRT(w)) = 0, hence w <= 0, which in turn implies       RE(z) = 0 only for IM(SQRT(w)) = 0, hence w = 0. So there is no other       candidate but z = SQRT(0)/(1+SQRT(0-1)) = 0, with IM(z) = 0       contradicting IM(z) < 0. Q.E.D.              Martin.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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