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|    Nasser M. Abbasi to clicliclic@freenet.de    |
|    Re: what special about 18 in this integr    |
|    22 Feb 18 12:08:00    |
      From: nma@12000.org              On 2/22/2018 7:57 AM, clicliclic@freenet.de wrote:       >       > "Nasser M. Abbasi" schrieb:       >>       >> How high a number "n" can your cas integrate this?       >>       >> 1/((1 + x^n)*(1 + x^2))       >>       >> Fricas 1.3.2 and Rubi 4.14.7 go up to n=18. Then after that, they       >> return unevaluated.       >>       >> Mathematica gives an answer for higher than 18, but the result after       >> 18 is in terms of Root objects. I tried up to n=100.       >>       >> Maple also can go higher than n=18, and it also gives results       >> in terms of RootOf. Tried up to n=200. So to remove these Roots, one       >> has to evaluate the answer numerically. I assume this is why Rubi and       >> Fricas stop at n=18.       >>       >> Any insight why 18 is the limit here? Is it due to some       >> factorization done, which after n=18 produces polynomials that       >> can't be solved exactly for higher order?       >>       >              > Derive 6.10 evaluates the integrals for n=1 through n=6 quickly. For       > the n=7 integrand, factors containing ATAN functions are produced,       > which bog the computation down. I have not tried to find out if Derive       > would eventually finish, churn on forever, or exhaust its memory in       > this case.       >       > Martin.       >              Sorry, let me clarify things again. FriCAS hangs at n=29.       I have it running for one hr now at n=29. Will leave it       running and will check on it after I come back from school.              Here is what I found:       ======================       Rubi: Up to n=18 OK, then unevaluated after n=18.       Maple: Up to n=18 OK, then uses ROOT objects for n>18. Tried to 200       Mathematica: Up to n=18 OK, then uses ROOT objects for n>18. Tried to 100       FriCAS: Up to n=28 OK, then "hangs" or still trying.....              So the winner so far is FriCAS on this test, it does it       for n=28, with no root objects. root objects can only be       evaluated numerically to get rid of them.              --Nasser              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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