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|    09 Dec 25 14:04:36    |
      [continued from previous message]              >Consent: It is generally considered desirable for children to give their       >own full and informed consent to medical interventions, where they have       >the capacity to do so. This is also settled English law following       >Gillick. Children’s consent should only be over-ridden where they       >clearly lack capacity, as in some cases where the courts have authorised       >non-consensual treatment of older teenagers with mental health problems.       >Equally, both parental and child consent can be over-ridden where it is       >considered that neither understand the full implications of the medical       >intervention, as in the recent case on puberty blockers. The latter case       >may be particularly relevant, given the essentially irreversible nature       >of the intervention and the allied risks. Any proposed policy should be       >assessed for its ability to elicit independent and informed consent,       >with consideration for the opportunities for children to receive       >explanations and information sheets appropriate to their age and       >understanding and clearly describing the balance of risks and benefits       >to them as individuals. Those administering the vaccination have a       >particular responsibility to ensure that the child has not been coerced,       >either directly or indirectly. Consent cannot be assumed simply from       >self-presentation for vaccination.       >Altruism: Should children and young people be expected or required to be       >vaccinated for the wider benefit of society in a pandemic? Can children       >be compelled to act for the benefit of others? If so, which others?       >There has been a debate about the ethics of parents having a second       >child in order to harvest stem cells to treat a first child born with       >Fanconi’s Anaemia. The conclusion was that this was unacceptable because       >it reduced the second child to an object for donation rather than a       >human with their own right to bodily integrity. There have been similar       >debates about children participating in live organ donation to parents       >or siblings. Is there a parallel with a child being required to accept       >the uncertain and potentially irreversible personal risk/benefit of       >vaccination for the benefit of a specific adult, or another child in the       >same household? Does this principle extend to adults in general? What       >does this mean for the principle of autonomy? Although the parallels are       >not exact, they suggest there are issues about ‘forced altruism’ to be       >considered if it is argued that the vaccination of children is for an       >assumed benefit to others, whether to society as a whole or to specific       >households. Other UK child vaccination programmes such as LAIV needed to       >demonstrate benefit to individual children as well as older adults       >before JCVI approval.       >Global Equity: The argument has been made that it is unethical to       >vaccinate low-risk children in affluent countries before higher-risk       >adults in low and middle-income countries. This raises issues about the       >boundaries of a supposed moral community and the nature of obligations       >to others. Whilst it is recognised that the remit of JCVI and MEAG does       >not extend outside the UK, reputational damage could be incurred if this       >issue is not explicitly addressed in a timely and appropriate manner.       >13.6.21       >Read in full       >Source: Department of Health & Social Care memo       >It had been circulated among the Government’s vaccine taskforce, the       >Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) and MEAG before       >the decision to press ahead with a jab rollout to children.       >But the document, written by members of a JCVI sub-committee, was       >“suppressed”, according to a whistleblower, who said: “We were just told       >not to circulate it. Word came down to a committee chair to ‘stop this’.”       >In summer 2021, there were intense discussions within Whitehall about       >whether to extend the vaccine rollout to healthy children. In September,       >the JCVI refused to give the green light to vaccinating 12 to 15-year-olds.       >But days later, Sir Chris, along with his counterparts in Wales,       >Scotland and Northern Ireland, effectively overrode this advice and       >recommended that children be vaccinated, arguing that it would prevent       >disruption to their education.       >MEAG was convened again in September 2021, just days before Sir Chris       >made the recommendation. But members were asked to advise on the       >phenomenon of virginity testing for women and girls, a topic completely       >unrelated to the pandemic.       >In October – at the peak of the debate over vaccine passports – MEAG was       >asked to advise on the non-urgent issue of statutory storage limits for       >eggs, sperm and embryos.       >‘We had been sidelined’       >MEAG met for a final time in mid-December 2021, around the time of a       >public debate about whether the vaccine should be rolled out to       >five-year-olds. But instead of being asked about this issue, it was told       >to advise on the use of AI in medical testing.       >During the early months of 2022, meeting dates had been pencilled in but       >were cancelled when Department of Health officials failed to offer any       >topics for discussion.       >Despite still having a year left in its term, the group was not called       >again and was effectively wound down early, before being formally stood       >down in October 2022 following a review conducted by Sir Chris and       >another Department of Health official.       >“We had been sidelined. That was the end of it,” recalled one former       >member recalled. “If we are being sidelined, then being silenced comes       >with it.”       >The issues in the MEAG meeting minutes were first uncovered by Molly and       >Ben Kingsley of the campaign group UsForThem, who wrote about the group       >in their book The Accountability Deficit.       >UsForThem instructed lawyers to write to the Covid inquiry on two       >occasions – once in December 2023 and again in February last year – to       >urge it to examine the role of the group.       >Ms Kingsley said it was a “glaring omission” that the Covid inquiry’s       >latest report failed to mention the role of MEAG.       >“It is astonishing that the Covid inquiry, with its battalions of       >lawyers and at a projected cost to the taxpayer of over £200m, has       >failed to examine what appears to have been the deliberate silencing,       >for political reasons, of critical independent experts to clear the way       >for some of the most contentious policy decisions of the pandemic       >period,” she added.       >‘Several witnesses were asked about MEAG’       >A Covid inquiry spokesman said that the role of the group had been       >examined, adding: “Several witnesses were asked about MEAG during their       >oral evidence during the Module 2 hearing and it has also been       >referenced in others’ witness statements.       >“The inquiry also obtained, put into evidence and published a statement       >from MEAG’s co-chair.       >“Baroness Heather Hallett’s reports do not cover every issue canvassed       >in evidence. Instead, they focus on those that the chair considers most       >relevant to her findings and recommendations.       >“Further reports will follow in 2026, and the chair intends to publish       >her 10th and final report in the first half of 2027.”       >A Department of Health spokesman said: “The claims that MEAG were told       >by the chief medical officer not to put their recommendations in writing       >are categorically untrue.”                     In the interim, we are 100% prepared/protected in the "full armor of       GOD" (Ephesians 6:11) which we put on as soon as we use Apostle Paul's       secret (Philippians 4:12). Though masking is less protective, it helps              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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