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|    09 Dec 25 17:02:55    |
      [continued from previous message]              >> One former member recalled how, after a positive start, the group’s role       >> “fell off a cliff”, saying: “It became clear that the government       didn’t       >> want to listen to advice. It was frustrating, deeply frustrating.       >> “We tried hard to say ‘we have been mandated to do this work, and yet we       >> are not being allowed to do it. We are coming across obstacles, left       >> right and centre’. It just felt that we had been sidelined and, even       >> though we were built into the structure, we were circumvented.”       >> During autumn 2020, MEAG discussed the adult Covid vaccine programme and       >> stated that “honest and clear information” should be provided to allow       >> the public to “make an informed choice” about the jabs. It also said the       >> government should be “realistic about alternatives” to the vaccine.       >> Two weeks later, it was told its terms of reference were being       >> “refreshed” to make clear that it should be a “constructive sounding       >> board” for ministers. Rather than its earlier proactive approach, it       >> should now focus on being “responsive”.       >> Sir Chris meets Boris Johnson and his Covid top team at No 10 Downing       >> Street during the pandemic       >> Sir Chris meets Boris Johnson and his Covid top team at No 10 Downing       >> Street during the pandemic       >> In December 2020, MEAG members expressed grave misgivings about a       >> proposed rollout of vaccine passports – a policy that would result in       >> people being barred from pubs, cafes and restaurants if they failed to       >> prove their vaccine status.       >> There were “serious concerns” about human rights implications, with       >> members questioning the motivation for introducing the passports. They       >> raised concerns that the passports could be used by the Government and       >> possibly employers to “semi-coerce people into having the vaccine”.       >> Minutes from the next meeting, in January 2021, showed that Sir Chris       >> advised the group to stop putting its recommendations in writing.       >> While England’s chief medical officer “valued the presence of the MEAG       >> and the ability to understand complexities” he “counselled against       >> producing documentation that offered recommendations, given the       >> political aspect of decision-making”.       >> Prof Sir Jonathan Montgomery, the co-chairman of MEAG, submitted two       >> witness statements to the Covid inquiry, both of which also referred to       >> Sir Chris advising the group against putting its recommendations in writing.       >> He recalled a meeting at which Sir Chris told him that “producing       >> documentation that offered recommendations might not be helpful, given       >> the political as well as ethical aspects of decision-making”.       >> Sources close to Sir Chris said this was a misunderstanding and that he       >> meant to explain that MEAG was an advisory group, meaning it was not       >> appropriate for it to put recommendations in writing.       >> 'Serious concerns' were raised about the human rights implications of       >> some Covid policies       >> ‘Serious concerns’ were raised about the human rights implications of       >> some Covid policies Credit: Oli Scarff/AFP via Getty Images       >> Some former MEAG members defended Sir Chris’s role, saying he was a       >> civil servant acting on the orders of ministers.       >> “He was acting as a conduit for those in government,” said one. “He       was       >> supportive of the work we were doing and could understand why it was       >> important to have these discussions – but not the ministers.       >> “He is not a political person, he is a civil servant. ‘Political’ is       >> really a shorthand for saying ‘the government think you are a thorn in       >> their side’.”       >> Either way, this appeared to be something of a turning point for MEAG,       >> after which the number of its meetings dwindled. There were no meetings       >> recorded between April and September 2021, despite the fact that the       >> children’s vaccine rollout was being debated and was regarded as one of       >> the most ethically contentious decisions of the pandemic.       >> The Telegraph has learnt that a meeting had been scheduled to take place       >> on June16 2021 to discuss the matter. But the meeting was cancelled at       >> the last minute by Department of Health officials – who cited       >> “unexpected media coverage” – and was never rescheduled.       >> Before it, a memo, seen by The Telegraph, had been circulated among       >> members, warning of ethical and legal concerns around proceeding with a       >> vaccine rollout for healthy children.       >> The memo warned that “urgent” consideration must be given to the ethical       >> and legal issues relating to rolling out a new vaccine for healthy       >> children. It said vaccines were “invasive, irreversible and may have       >> long-term side effects, as yet undefined”.       >> ragout-top       >> Vaccination of Children and Young People against SARS-COV-2: legal and       >> ethical implications       >> The vaccination of children and young people raises ethical and legal       >> questions not met in adult vaccination. The extraordinary pace of the       >> adult programme means that these issues now require urgent consideration.       >> Vaccination saves lives but is invasive, irreversible and may have       >> long-term side effects, as yet unidentified.       >> The precautionary principle has been applied to date, with an existing       >> recommendation that only children with severe neurodisabilities, where       >> there is clear evidence that potential benefits outweigh potential       >> risks, should be vaccinated below the age of 16 years.       >> Mortality/morbidity in children and young people are very low in       >> comparison to adults. The goals of mortality/morbidity reduction by       >> individual vaccine protection are, consequently, less applicable.       >> An ethical assessment of collective immunisation programmes would       >> highlight safety and efficacy of both vaccine and programme,       >> minimisation of burdens and benefits, a just distribution of burdens and       >> benefits, voluntary valid consent where possible, and protection of       >> public trust.       >> The main questions are:-       >> What are the goals of vaccinating children/ young people?       >> What are the benefits and harms to individual children/ young people?       >> Are there any practical alternatives to vaccinating this age group?       >> Specific Issues       >> Legal issues: Although not technically within the jurisdiction of MEAG       >> or JCVI, these are worth noting as an indication of the degree to which       >> ethical principles have been given institutional recognition. The       >> relevant law in England and Wales is based on the Children Act 1989,       >> which affirms a position adopted in previous statutes and judgements       >> since the late 19th century, namely that the welfare of the child is       >> paramount in all matters concerning children (s1, 1). The law in       >> Scotland and Northern Ireland is similar. The UK has also ratified the       >> UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which specifies the best       >> interests of the child as the primary consideration. This has been       >> incorporated into domestic law by the Welsh Government and the Scottish       >> Government is proposing a similar move. The Children Act (s.1, 5) also       >> establishes the principle of the ‘least restrictive alternative’, that       >> an intervention should only take place if it is clearly better than no       >> intervention.       >> UK family law is very different from that in the US, where vaccines for       >> children are being deployed. US family law is mostly at state rather              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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