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|    David P to All    |
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|    11 Oct 22 23:28:58    |
      From: imbibe@mindspring.com              Bombing Kyiv Into Submission? History Says It Won’t Work.       By Max Fisher, Oct. 11, 2022, NY Times              President Putin of Russia, in ordering missile strikes on Kyiv and other       Ukrainian cities, follows a long line of wartime leaders who have sought to       cow their adversaries by bombing enemy capitals.              Ever since Nazi Germany’s bombardment of London in WWII, enabled by the       first long-range missiles and warplanes, nearly every major war has featured       similar attacks.              The goal is almost always the same: to coerce the targeted country’s leaders       into scaling back their war effort or suing for peace.              It typically aims to achieve this by forcing those leaders to ask whether the       capital’s cultural landmarks and economic functioning are worth putting on       the line — and also, especially, by terrorizing the country’s population       into moderating their        support for the war.              But for as long as leaders have pursued this tactic, they have watched it       repeatedly fail.              More than that, such strikes tend to backfire, deepening the political and       public resolve for war that they are meant to erode — even galvanizing the       attacked country into stepping up its war aims.              The victorious allies in WWII did emphasize a strategy of heavily bombing       cities, which is part of why countries have come to repeat this so many times       since. Cities including Dresden and Tokyo were devastated, killing hundreds of       thousands of civilians        and forcing millions into homelessness.              Still, historians generally now argue that, even if that did play some role in       exhausting those countries, it was largely because of damage to German and       Japanese industrial output rather than the terror it caused. Axis countries       were also aggressive in        bombing enemy cities, casting further doubt on notions that the strategy could       be a decisive factor on its own.              And any WWII lessons may be of limited utility in understanding the wars that       came after, as countries quickly learned from that conflict to move military       production away from city centers. Tellingly, such bombing has seldom worked       since.              American war planners discovered this in the Korean War, when bombing       Pyongyang only hardened the North’s commitment. A decade later, they tried       it again in Vietnam. But an internal Pentagon report concluded that striking       Hanoi, the North Vietnamese        capital, had been “in retrospect, a colossal misjudgment.”              Iran and Iraq struck each other’s capitals during their 80s conflict to try       to force one side to back down. Instead, both nations were rallied by watching       foreign bombs fall on civilian neighborhoods, helping to stretch the war to       nearly a decade.              Insurgent groups have likewise adapted this tactic, to little more success.              Northern Irish groups struck repeatedly in London, hoping to dispel British       commitment to the territory. Instead, the bombings led to more severe measures       by British authorities in Northern Ireland. Palestinian groups that ignited       bus and cafe bombs in        Israeli cities during a period of conflict in the 2000s found much the same       result.              Al Qaeda’s justification for the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks has shifted,       but the group has said that one aim was to compel American withdrawal from the       Middle East. But Americans, rather than rising up against their country’s       overseas deployments        as Al Qaeda leaders had hoped, rallied in support of invading Afghanistan and       then Iraq.              Though each conflict is different, this pattern is not a coincidence, but is       explained by the politics as well as the psychology of warfare. And both       appear to apply in Russia’s war in Ukraine.              Capital strikes intended to push a government toward conciliation or retreat       instead do much to close off those options.              In practice, such attacks tell targeted leaders that they, and perhaps the       very existence of their government, will not be secure until they eliminate       the threat through outright victory. They will tend to escalate in response,       rather than back down as        their attackers hope.              And a negotiated peace, like the one Mr. Putin has urged, becomes harder for       those leaders to enter because it means accepting that the threat to the       capital will remain.              The public will often reach the same calculus, coming to see their attacker as       an implacable threat that can only be neutralized through defeat.              The stiffening resolve inspired by such strikes can be equal parts strategic       and emotional.              German rocket and air attacks on British cities during WWII, known as the       Blitz, aimed to degrade British production as well as public support for the       war, so that Britain would agree to withdraw from the conflict.              And German leaders had hoped that turning whole blocks of London into rubble       would inspire Britons to turn against the leaders who insisted on staying in       the war. But British approval of their government rose to near 90 percent.              The United States has stumbled on this effect several times, but perhaps most       powerfully in the Korean and Vietnam Wars, when it sought to force back its       Communist adversaries by bombing their towns and cities. Instead, the       campaigns convinced those        governments, as well as their populations, that they could only be safe by       defeating the Americans for good, whatever the cost.              Washington was seeking to reproduce its victories in WWII, which came after       laying waste to German and Japanese cities from the air. Though the atomic       bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were once widely thought to have terrified       Japan into surrender,        some historians have since cast doubt on that view.              In Vietnam, American forces began bombing northern cities in 1966 with the       explicit goals of “deterioration of popular morale” and to “put pressure       on the Hanoi leadership to terminate the war,” according to a 1972       Congressional review of        Pentagon documents.              Instead, the strikes helped lock Northern Vietnamese leaders into a strategy       of expelling the Americans who were dropping bombs on their cities, Pentagon       officials concluded privately.              The attacks also so angered North Vietnam’s allies in Moscow and Beijing       that those countries increased their military aid beyond what the bombers had       destroyed, Pentagon analysts said.                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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