From: damarkley@gmail.com   
      
   On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 10:09:38 AM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:   
   > DMaybe all true, maybe not.    
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   > ennis Carroll    
   > 23h    
   > Hard to believe they would leave the ship in that condition and the let    
   > the report out.    
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   > Alex Mann    
   > Historian (2017–present)6mo    
   > How did Moskva sink?    
   > We are going to talk for a minute about modern warships and how they    
   > work. I know this is a lot of technical jargon but there is a reason I    
   > am being this detailed. Once you see the full picture, it’s jaw-dropping.    
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   > Moskva was a rare ship- a powerful warship crammed with every type of    
   > weapon you could need. It was the Flagship of the Black Sea Fleet and    
   > the pride of the Russian Navy.    
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   > Now with any big ship, the biggest threat is anti-ship missiles. These    
   > missiles can really do a number on ships and the bigger the target the    
   > easier it is to hit.    
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   > So the Moskva had a 3-layered anti-air defense system. This is as    
   > advanced if not more advance than what many modern US Warships have. It    
   > went like this    
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   > 1st layer: S-300F: These are long-range surface-to-air missiles that can    
   > intercept aircraft or missiles and destroy them    
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   > 2nd Layer: 9K33 OSA: These are short range surface to air missiles to    
   > provide defense if the S-300 fails    
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   > 3rd layer: AK-630: These are Rotary cannons that fill the air with    
   > bullets kinda like the Vulcan on US ships    
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   > On top of this, the Moskva had a large 130 mm auto-cannon,    
   > anti-submarine missiles, and P-500 Bazalt anti-ship missiles. This ship    
   > was loaded with more weaponry than any other ship on the seas.    
   >    
   > So what happened? Well in summary the ship was sighted by drones and 2    
   > Neptune anti-ship missiles were fired at the Moskva. They hit the ship    
   > and the resulting damage eventually sank her. Pretty simple right?    
   > Russia just claimed there was a normal fire but the pictures we see of    
   > the ship make it clear what happened. Random fires don’t sink    
   > uber-expensive modern warships.    
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   > This leaves 2 questions.    
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   > How did these missiles penetrate the 3-layer defense system? Seriously    
   > this system is designed from the ground up to specifically counter NATO    
   > munitions- which the Neptune 100% is    
   > Why did damage control fail? The Moskva had state-of-the-art damage    
   > control systems. On modern ships, these systems can allow damaged ships    
   > to continue fighting and functioning or limp back to port. The Moskva    
   > was built to take hits like this and keep rolling so what happened?    
   > For a while, this was a mystery but not anymore. You see 14 days before    
   > the Ukraine invasion an inspection of the Moskva was carried out by the    
   > Russian government and a report was filed. This is where things get amazing.    
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   > That S-300 missile system? Well, the radar system it depended on to work    
   > interfered with communications and was turned off meaning they didn’t   
   work.    
   > That 9KSS missile system? It hadn’t been working for months and was    
   > totally non-functional    
   > How about those AK-630 mini-guns? Well, 5 of the 6 had been stripped for    
   > parts, leaving only 1 functional.    
   > That complex “3-layer defense system” was completely offline.    
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   > Ok so what about damage control?    
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   > Most of the safety equipment had been stolen and sold on the black    
   > market. What little remained was locked up by the captain and thus    
   > unavailable in an emergency    
   > Of the 500 required fire extinguishers- only 50 remained    
   > Most water-tight doors either leaked or were jammed open    
   > The control systems either didn’t work or didn’t indicate their status    
   > to the bridge    
   > So not only were the defense weapons busted- damage control was busted    
   > too. That’s not even everything.    
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   > The steering system was jammed, 2 of the 4 engines were past their life    
   > cycle and didn’t work, and the power generators didn’t work. Oh and that    
   > cool looking 130 mm gun? Hydraulic leak- NON-FUNCTIONAL.    
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   > No US Navy ship would EVER be in such a sorry state let alone sent into    
   > combat barely functional. The fact Russia sent the Moskva out to war in    
   > this state is telling. Everything Russia has looks tough but beneath    
   > that exterior, you find greed and incompetence.    
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   > So what sank the Moskva? Well, it’s the same thing that sunk the Kursk,    
   > blew up Chornobyl, and allowed Stalin to take power- greed,    
   > incompetence, and arrogance.    
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   > Antonius Budianto   
      
   The problem I have with Quora is lack of proof.  How does the writer know   
   those details about the state of Moskva? Now, the argument is probably   
   anchored in a grain of truth.  However, there is no doubt that quite a few   
   Russian weapons have been    
   demonstrated to work all too well.   
      
   Dean   
      
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