XPost: rec.aviation.military, soc.history.war.misc   
   From: keithwillshaw@gmail.com   
      
   On 10/04/2023 15:09, a425couple wrote:   
   > DMaybe all true, maybe not.   
   >   
   > ennis Carroll   
   >   23h   
   > Hard to believe they would leave the ship in that condition and the let   
   > the report out.   
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   > Alex Mann   
   > Historian (2017–present)6mo   
   > How did Moskva sink?   
   > We are going to talk for a minute about modern warships and how they   
   > work. I know this is a lot of technical jargon but there is a reason I   
   > am being this detailed. Once you see the full picture, it’s jaw-dropping.   
   >   
   > Moskva was a rare ship- a powerful warship crammed with every type of   
   > weapon you could need. It was the Flagship of the Black Sea Fleet and   
   > the pride of the Russian Navy.   
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   >   
   > Now with any big ship, the biggest threat is anti-ship missiles. These   
   > missiles can really do a number on ships and the bigger the target the   
   > easier it is to hit.   
   >   
   > So the Moskva had a 3-layered anti-air defense system. This is as   
   > advanced if not more advance than what many modern US Warships have. It   
   > went like this   
   >   
   > 1st layer: S-300F: These are long-range surface-to-air missiles that can   
   > intercept aircraft or missiles and destroy them   
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   >   
   > 2nd Layer: 9K33 OSA: These are short range surface to air missiles to   
   > provide defense if the S-300 fails   
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   >   
   > 3rd layer: AK-630: These are Rotary cannons that fill the air with   
   > bullets kinda like the Vulcan on US ships   
   >   
   >   
   > On top of this, the Moskva had a large 130 mm auto-cannon,   
   > anti-submarine missiles, and P-500 Bazalt anti-ship missiles. This ship   
   > was loaded with more weaponry than any other ship on the seas.   
   >   
   > So what happened? Well in summary the ship was sighted by drones and 2   
   > Neptune anti-ship missiles were fired at the Moskva. They hit the ship   
   > and the resulting damage eventually sank her. Pretty simple right?   
   > Russia just claimed there was a normal fire but the pictures we see of   
   > the ship make it clear what happened. Random fires don’t sink   
   > uber-expensive modern warships.   
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   >   
   > This leaves 2 questions.   
   >   
   > How did these missiles penetrate the 3-layer defense system? Seriously   
   > this system is designed from the ground up to specifically counter NATO   
   > munitions- which the Neptune 100% is   
   > Why did damage control fail? The Moskva had state-of-the-art damage   
   > control systems. On modern ships, these systems can allow damaged ships   
   > to continue fighting and functioning or limp back to port. The Moskva   
   > was built to take hits like this and keep rolling so what happened?   
   > For a while, this was a mystery but not anymore. You see 14 days before   
   > the Ukraine invasion an inspection of the Moskva was carried out by the   
   > Russian government and a report was filed. This is where things get   
   > amazing.   
   >   
   > That S-300 missile system? Well, the radar system it depended on to work   
   > interfered with communications and was turned off meaning they didn’t work.   
   > That 9KSS missile system? It hadn’t been working for months and was   
   > totally non-functional   
   > How about those AK-630 mini-guns? Well, 5 of the 6 had been stripped for   
   > parts, leaving only 1 functional.   
   > That complex “3-layer defense system” was completely offline.   
   >   
   > Ok so what about damage control?   
   >   
   > Most of the safety equipment had been stolen and sold on the black   
   > market. What little remained was locked up by the captain and thus   
   > unavailable in an emergency   
   > Of the 500 required fire extinguishers- only 50 remained   
   > Most water-tight doors either leaked or were jammed open   
   > The control systems either didn’t work or didn’t indicate their status   
   > to the bridge   
   > So not only were the defense weapons busted- damage control was busted   
   > too. That’s not even everything.   
   >   
   > The steering system was jammed, 2 of the 4 engines were past their life   
   > cycle and didn’t work, and the power generators didn’t work. Oh and that   
   > cool looking 130 mm gun? Hydraulic leak- NON-FUNCTIONAL.   
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   > No US Navy ship would EVER be in such a sorry state let alone sent into   
   > combat barely functional. The fact Russia sent the Moskva out to war in   
   > this state is telling. Everything Russia has looks tough but beneath   
   > that exterior, you find greed and incompetence.   
   >   
   > So what sank the Moskva? Well, it’s the same thing that sunk the Kursk,   
   > blew up Chornobyl, and allowed Stalin to take power- greed,   
   > incompetence, and arrogance.   
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   > Antonius Budianto   
      
   In a simple phrase, incompetence at every level. The Russians have shown   
   they can hit something static the size of a Tower Black and not much else.   
      
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