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   Fire destroys massive, historic north ha   
   08 Nov 23 08:01:31   
   
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   A powerful fire ripped through one of two 17-story hangars still standing   
   at the long-shuttered Tustin Air Base early Tuesday morning, Nov. 7,   
   leading to a catastrophic collapse of most of the iconic facility’s outer   
   shell.   
      
   Dozens of Orange County firefighters responded when the blaze was first   
   reported at the north hangar just before 12:55 a.m. By midmorning,   
   however, they stood by watching the structure burn, helpless to stop its   
   demise.   
      
   Orange County Fire Authority Capt. Thanh Nguyen said sending firefighters   
   into the building was too dangerous.   
      
   “The biggest fear is collapse and getting our firefighters injured,”   
   Nguyen said.   
      
   The cause of the fire and where it began were not clear Tuesday.   
      
   No injuries were reported and firefighters did not believe anyone was   
   inside the building when the fire broke out, Ngueyn said.   
      
   OCFA Chief Brian Fennessy said early Tuesday the fire was expected to   
   stretch across the length of the hangar, which will ultimately need to be   
   demolished.   
      
   He said it could take a lengthy amount of time before the fire was out.   
   When firefighters arrived, the blaze was intense.   
      
   “We expect the fire to continue … possibly until it gets to the other side   
   of the hangar, and whether that be the end of the day, tomorrow — whether   
   it stops at some point in between, we don’t know,” Fennessy said. “So at   
   this point we’re standing back, keeping people and firefighters away and   
   we’re watching.”   
      
   Fire officials confirmed early Tuesday they would allow the blaze to   
   continue burning.   
      
   Just before 6:30 a.m., firefighters said the plan was to allow the hangar   
   to collapse. Only after the roof came down would fire officials send in   
   ground crews.   
      
   Fire officials sent helicopters and a Boeing CH-47 Chinook to help fight   
   the blaze earlier Tuesday. Nguyen said helicopters are typically not used   
   to douse a structure fire with water.   
      
   “This is not a regular fire,” Nguyen said.   
      
   But it later became clear dumping water on the structure was having no   
   effect.   
      
   “It was felt that perhaps…it was possible for us to maybe slow it down and   
   maybe get our ladder trucks in close enough to be able to slow it down,”   
   Fennessy said. “That was not the case, so we cancelled them and returned   
   them.”   
      
   Both hangars once housed blimps used in World War II and later provided   
   cover for military helicopters.   
      
   The hangars were built in 1942, Fennessy said, and are two of the largest   
   wooden structures ever constructed. They were named historic civil   
   engineering landmarks in 1993.   
      
   The hangars have been featured in television and films, among them “JAG,”   
   “The X Files,” “Austin Powers,” “Pearl Harbor” and “Star Trek.”   
      
   For some time, there were plans to raze the north hangar and use the space   
   to construct homes and a regional park. But the plans were never realized,   
   and in August 2021, the City Council voted to scrap the park and maintain   
   the site.   
      
   Tustin Mayor Austin Lumbard called Tuesday a sad day for the city. He   
   described the two hangars as more than just structures.   
      
   “It’s a personal thing to a lot of (the) Tustin community,” Lumbard said.   
   “They mean so much to the city’s past, to the region’s military history.”   
      
   Before the fire, Lumbard said, a decision hadn’t been made on the ultimate   
   faith for the north hangar. It was damaged by heavy winds in 2013 and had   
   been supported by two cranes.   
      
   “It’s just been kind of sitting there, damaged,” Lumbard said. “There’s   
   community sentiment that wants to save the hangars, (but it’s) very, very   
   cost prohibitive to repair those things and bring them up to commercial   
   code.”   
      
   Lumbard said the city looks forward to collaborating on what ultimately   
   will happen to the remaining hangar and the 85 acres surrounding it.   
      
   The city, he said, has recently invested in new fencing, adding signs and   
   cutting overgrown vegetation in the area.   
      
   Councilmember Letitia Clark said the U.S. Navy needed to do more.   
      
   “I think we did everything we could in our power to really ensure that the   
   site was clean and safe,” Clark said. “I think the hindsight, 20/20 part   
   is really more on the Navy.”   
      
   Clark said the city has an operational agreement with the Navy, which owns   
   both hangars.   
      
   “I hope that the Navy is now aware that there’s probably more that they   
   could have done,” Clark said. “And, hopefully, there’s more they can do   
   now in terms of helping us move forward with making sure the site is clean   
   and that we can move forward to fully transitioning ownership of the   
   (south) hangar from them to us.”   
      
   U.S. Navy officials could not be reached comment.   
      
   Tuesday morning, every few minutes, the dying structure emitted a loud,   
   low rumble as the metal and wood inner lattice still holding up the curved   
   roof started to give way, sending debris crashing down to the hangar floor   
   in burning heaps.   
      
   By 9 a.m., fire crackled along the edges of the gaping hole now making up   
   nearly half of the old hangar. Flames ripped through the interior,   
   bursting through the hangar’s roof in spots.   
      
   Amid billowing columns of brownish, white smoke, pieces of the hangar’s   
   outer covering were ripped from its walls. The pieces twirled up in the   
   air like confetti before raining back down on the fields and streets   
   around the building.   
      
   The loud snaps and pops of flames and the explosions periodically rumbling   
   through the old structure served as the death throes of one of Orange   
   County’s most iconic buildings.   
      
   Like giant soda cans tipped over in the sand, the twin, hulking hangars at   
   the air base have sat here for longer than many locals have called Orange   
   County home.   
      
   The air base was one of the first sights Curtis Schneider, 61, could   
   remember when his family first drove through the area after moving here in   
   the 1970s.   
      
   In a T-shirt, shorts, sandals and sunglasses, Schneider stood just behind   
   the open driver’s side door of his car, holding his phone up to capture   
   the destruction. When one loud blast roared from the burning building, he   
   tensed up.   
      
   “Whoa!” he said, as others in the group of about 50 onlookers hooted and   
   hollered. Still watching, Schneider took a quick drag from his vape pen.   
      
   He recalled standing on the floor of the hangar beneath its towering walls   
   for different events over the years, when visitors were still allowed   
   inside.   
      
   “We saw car shows in there, helicopter shows,” Schneider said. “We had   
   some good times in that hangar.”   
      
   Tammy Murphy, 65, looked on in horror and wonder as decades of Southern   
   California history burned to the ground in front of her. Murphy stood with   
   her two grandchildren just behind a chain-link fence about a quarter of a   
   mile from the hangar.   
      
   “Oh my god — so many emotions,” she said. “These were here when I was a   
   kid growing up.”   
      
      
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