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|    19 Sep 24 10:23:07    |
      XPost: soc.history.war.misc, rec.aviation.military, or.politics       XPost: seattle.politics       From: a425couple@hotmail.com              My computer had a absolute total failure.       I'm getting it back, kind of.       Right after I was under anesthesia for 3-4 hours.       If someone says "His head's not right!"        I can not argue right now.       Still making progress, but here goes:              Like Two Ships Not-Quite-Passing In the Night              The Atlantic Ocean is big — very big. It has an area of more than 40       million square miles (100 million square kilometers), which is more than       twice the land area of Asia. And, given that it’s ocean, very few people       live there. Sure, there are a lot of ships cruising throughout the seas,       and there are people on board those ships, but even if we were to treat       those people as permanent residents of the Atlantic (which I originally       typoed as “reseadent,” which kind of works!) you’d need more than 50       million of them to have a population density equal to Alaska, which is       easily the least-dense state of the 50 American states.              All of that is to say that you’re cruising around the Atlantic, chances       are, you’re not going to run into anything. That’s particularly true if       you’re not in a port, where there are lots of ships moving in a small       area, or if it’s during peacetime, when ramming into another ship may be       intentional. And it’s supremely true if you’re in a submarine — not only       are there far fewer subs than there are ships on the water’s surface,       but you also add a y-axis to the equation.              So it must have been really strange when, on the evening of February 3rd       to 4th, 2009, the HMS Vanguard — a British submarine — crashed into       something.              Oh, and potentially very dangerous, too, because the Vanguard was a       nuclear sub carrying a payload of atomic weapons.              Submarines are typically designed to be hard to detect. They travel       underwater (obviously) and are, therefore, already difficult at best to       detect from the surface or the sky. The easiest way to find a submarine       is using sonar (which, originally, was an acronym meaning “Sound       Navigation and Ranging”) — basically, you use listening devices to       “look” for any sounds that don’t match the normal noises you’d expect       to       find in the ocean. As submarines have motors and people — things you       typically don’t find in the depths of the ocean — if you know what       you’re listening for, you can often detect an oncoming sub.              But over the decades, submariners have become better and better at       hiding from enemy sonar. The National Museum of the U.S. Navy’s website       explains:              To increase stealth, submariners take advantage of how sound waves act       in ocean water. The speed of sound in seawater is greatly determined by       temperature, pressure, and salinity. These three factors vary in       different locations and bend the sound waves accordingly. Because SONAR       depends on receiving sounds signals, the way sound waves bend determines       what can be picked up by SONAR. Submariners can find places between the       bending sound waves of active enemy SONAR called shadow zones. There,       subs can hide and watch the enemy without being detected.              And on that day, the Vanguard was likely taking efforts to hide itself —       the British military, understandably, has been mum on the details.       Unfortunately for them, so was the Le Triomphant, a French nuclear       submarine. Le Triomphant happened to be in the same area, "conducting       routine national patrols in the Atlantic Ocean” according to the British       Ministry of Defense (via the Guardian), and because the two submarines       were doing their best to hide, they didn’t detect one another. And,       despite the vastness of the ocean, they collided.              The collision happened at a very low speed and no one aboard was       injured, and thankfully for the rest of us, none of the nuclear stuff on       either ship went boom. The damage to the French ship was so minimal that       they claimed to have not realized they hit another ship; per the       Guardian, “On 6 February, France's defense ministry had said that the       boat "collided with an immersed object (probably a container)" when       coming back from patrolling and that its sonar dome was damaged.” (It       wasn’t a container, unless you’re being very, very literal.) The French       ship needed repairs to its active sonar dome while the British ship       suffered damage to the casing that held its missiles on its right side,       which is to say, the damage was pretty minor. That said, the repair       bills, according to the Telegraph, were “expected to cost up to £50       million in repairs,” or about $65 million for the two combined. (That’s       a lot, but the sub cost more than £3 billion to build, so it’s not       outlandish.)              There were some calls after the event for the UK and France to better       coordinate their efforts to patrol under the Atlantic, but neither       nation acknowledged if any efforts were being made to do so. The good       news is that such an event is unlikely to happen again, if for no other       reason than it was incredibly unlikely to have happened in the first place.                      --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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