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      XPost: nyc.politics, alt.politics.democrats, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh       XPost: talk.politics.guns, sac.politics       From: democrat-insurrection@mail.house.gov              https://gothamist.com/news/daniel-penny-is-free-after-nyc-subway-       chokehold-verdict-what-will-he-do-now              Daniel Penny, who on Monday was found not guilty of criminally negligent       homicide in the death of Jordan Neely last year, says he wants to resume a       normal life now that the closely watched criminal trial has concluded.              Through his lawyer and in a television appearance after the verdict, he       said he plans to go back to school, become an architect and even resume       riding the New York City subway.              But like many defendants who are acquitted after high-profile and divisive       cases, a sense of normalcy may be hard-won for the 26-year-old former       Marine. Gothamist spoke to high-profile defendants, their lawyers and       media experts who agreed that Penny’s case is likely to follow him for       years, and his public reputation may long overshadow his private life.              “ I don't want any attention. I don't want the limelight,” Penny told Fox       Nation on Wednesday. “I'd like to just go back to normal, though … we’ll       see.” Penny’s lawyer did not make him available for an interview with       Gothamist.              Neely’s family is also struggling to move forward. Neely’s father, Andre       Zachery, has filed a civil lawsuit against Penny. When the verdict was       announced, Zachery cried out in court and was escorted from the room.       “This really, really hurts,” Zachery said a short time later.              When asked if he felt the impact on the Neely family’s loss in the Fox       Nation interview, Penny said only, “Of course.”              Penny was charged with causing Neely’s death by holding him in a chokehold       for several minutes on an uptown F train on May 1, 2023. Witnesses said       Neely, a former Michael Jackson impersonator who had schizophrenia,       started yelling threats after he boarded the train. Penny held Neely in       the chokehold on the floor of the train for about six minutes, according       to evidence presented during the proceedings. Neely was pronounced dead       soon after.              A video that a passenger took of Penny holding Neely in the chokehold went       viral soon after the incident, and prompted strong responses from the       public — with some seeing Penny as a hero and others seeing him as a       killer. In the days after Neely’s death, and before Penny was charged with       a crime, protesters flooded subway platforms in response. Prior to his       trial, Penny’s supporters donated more than $3 million to a legal defense       fund on a Christian crowdsourcing website. After the verdict, the amount       grew by more than $360,000.              Perhaps no one knows better what it’s like to become a lightning rod for       controversy over crime on the New York City subways than Bernie Goetz, who       in 1984 shot four young people he said were trying to rob him on the       subway. At the time, the city celebrated Goetz as the “Subway Vigilante”       in a time when crime was at a high. Others, however, vilified him. He was       ultimately acquitted of the shootings but convicted of a gun charge.              Goetz, now 77, said whether Penny wishes it or not, he has become a proxy       for people’s feelings about subway safety.              “This isn't so much about him, this is about the bulls–t going on in New       York,” Goetz said in a phone interview. “The people on the subways are       threatened all the time and should people put up with this?”              Goetz said he sympathizes with Penny, and their cases bear many       resemblances. Subway crime rates were high in the 1980s. There was also       widespread fear about subway crime when Neely died in 2023, even though       officials stressed rates of subway crime were lower than they had been       before the pandemic. Both Penny and Goetz characterize their actions as       defensive — Goetz defending himself and Penny defending others on the       train. Both were also subject to lengthy public prosecutions.              Goetz said Penny's desire for normalcy will be difficult to realize for       the first several years. Goetz sold electronics to factories and said that       after his trial he lost many of his business contacts in and around New       York City because no one wanted to talk to him.              “ There was a big drop in business. It basically ruined me. The       prosecutions destroy you financially,” Goetz said.              The polarized media market these days allows Penny and his lawyers to seek       out sympathetic outlets to tell his story and drum up support. Penny       turned to conservative outlets Fox and the New York Post for press after       the verdict. Goetz said there was no equivalent in the 1980s, and he still       blames the New York Times for what he felt was negative coverage.              Today’s more fragmented media offers Penny niche markets that he can       potentially capitalize on, according to UCLA communications professor Tim       Groeling.              “ There are people with very narrow interests that are obsessive about       things,” Groeling said. “You can sustain narrow and deep interest in a       subset of the audience much more easily now than you used to, and dramatic       crimes have the possibility of sustaining that kind of interest.”              Groeling points to social media and niche media platforms where chatter       can persist even years after a case is over. For example, he pointed to a       subreddit for brothers Lyle and Erik Menendez, who were convicted of       killing their parents in 1996, that currently has 42,000 followers.              Others have been able to profit from their notoriety and these niche       markets. Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted of two killings in 2020; he became       a star for gun advocates and also sells apparel. And Amanda Knox, who was       accused of killing her roommate in 2007, has since built a media franchise       with books, podcasts, films and speaking engagements dedicated to true       crime stories.              However, Groeling said the fractured media works the other way.              “ Mr. Penny is going to have people talking about him for the rest of his       life,” he said. “Praising him or criticizing him, the internet doesn't       forget.”              Goetz claimed bankruptcy after the criminal trial and told CNN that he       never “paid a penny” of the $43 million civil judgement. In addition to       the civil lawsuit from Neely’s father, Penny’s lawyers say their client is       exploring his own civil lawsuit — a malicious prosecution claim against       the prosecutors and the medical examiners. But it has yet to be filed.              Without detailing costs, Penny’s lawyers said his legal fund dwindled       during the criminal trial. Others accused of high-profile crimes struggled       to pay the bills after their trial. Casey Anthony, who was acquitted of       killing her 2-year-old daughter in 2008, declared bankruptcy in 2013,       according to the Associated Press, and lived with her defense investigator       and his family for several years following her trial, according to       Buzzfeed News.              George Zimmerman, who was tried for killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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