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|    26 Feb 25 19:24:35    |
      XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, rec.arts.tv, talk.politics.misc       XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism       From: patriot1@protonmail.com              Pity Jordan Peterson. Can a giant lobster analogy       ever replace a sense of humour?              The leading member of the self-styled intellectual       dark web likes to think he is ‘locked out’ of the       mainstream media. Which makes his interview in this       month’s GQ all the more revealing              The nights have drawn in, the rains have come, and it       is time to start unveiling some of the lines in the       Lost in Showbiz Winter Collection. Let me say right       now that one of our absolute key pieces will be       Jordan Peterson.              Quite how it’s taken this column so long to alight       lovingly on the winningest public intellectual of our       age is unclear, but please now consider me officially       very into him. This week, I read Jordan’s most famous       book, 12 Simple Rules For Dating My Teenage Daughter,       and found it an absolute scream. Forgive me – the       opus is actually called 12 Rules For Life, but it       certainly forced me to tear down every other thought       leader poster peeling off my bedroom wall. I am       highly excited to get around to Jordan’s only other       published book, some kind of vast theory of       everything which took him 12 years to write. Oscar       Wilde wrote The Picture of Dorian Gray in about a       fortnight, so imagine how much better Jordan B       Peterson’s Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of       Belief is going to be.              But we race ahead. Are you even familiar with       Peterson? A University of Toronto psychology       professor, his raging stage show involuntarily       reminds me of that incredibly moving speech from The       South Park Movie: “This is aboot dignity. This is       aboot respect. [Laughter] This is aboot – [More       laughter] What’s so goddammed funny?” Anyway, you may       simply know Jordan as “the lobster guy”, after his       most famous proposition/abstraction: the idea that       lobsters and their serotonin levels explain why human       hierarchies exist and are good. But were better in       the 1950s. Put simply, you’re really doing this wrong       if your first thought on seeing a lobster is: “I’d       like to eat this thing, not surrender my abortion       rights to it.”              Owing to his sell-out speaking tours, huge YouTube       following and multimillion book sales, Peterson is       frequently described as a “Pied Piper” of angry and       disaffected men – though my understanding of the       original Pied Piper was that he took all his       followers away into some kind of mountain from which       they never returned. Yes please! Except, how come       Peterson’s followers continue to wander around our       metaphorical Hamelin, explaining stuff like there is       no patriarchy because of crustaceans? Can we try       DynoPest instead?              Anyway, Peterson is also a leading member of the       arseoisie, or the “intellectual dark web”, as they       prefer it. Again, are you familiar with the       “intellectual dark web”? I do hope not. It’s a self-       styling by a loose group of soi-disant intellectuals       you’d cross continents to avoid having a pint with       (although they didn’t go with that tagline in the       end). There isn’t space for a full passenger       manifest, but they include Peterson, talkshow host       Dave Rubin, Newsweek columnist and perma-pundit Ben       Shapiro and a bunch of other people bizarrely       obsessed with what students do, even though we’ve       known since time immemorial that students often act       like idiots, and mostly grow out of it unless they’re       Hamlet or whatever. Think of the intellectual dark       web as a very whiny superhero team. Marvel’s A-       Whingers. Guardians of the Galaxy Brains. The League       of Extraordinarily Fragile Gentlemen.              Like the rest of the gang, Peterson apparently       imagines himself “locked out” of the mainstream       media, despite having sold 2m books and being       interviewed every 10 minutes by actual international       media outlets. I can’t help feeling that Jordan is       “locked out” of the mainstream media in the same way       that Justin Bieber is “locked out” of pop music.              As I am given to understand it, all these chaps ply       their trade in the “marketplace of ideas”, which       largely seems to be grown men shrieking “Not the       face! Not the face!” at their detractors. Truly, to       watch their online arguments is to clamber inside the       Athenian agora simulator.              I’m not even being sarcastic. A lot of those guys who       hung around the ancient Athens debating society       (while helpmeets of one sort or another took care of       their day-to-day shit for them) were quite clearly       insufferable edgelords. Come on – Diogenes lived in a       large urn and would absolutely have been into       bitcoin. In some accounts, the Oracle told him to       deface the currency, which seems not entirely Delphic       of her, though he found a way to make it so and       decided she meant he should deface the currency of       prevalent ideas. Arguably, then, Diogenes is the       Jordan Peterson analogue, as he was the agora’s       leading NoFapper. Hang on, that’s wrong – he was the       agora’s leading scourge of pleasure-seeking. But I’m       pretty sure he’d have been one of the senior thinkers       in today’s anti-masturbation movement.              If you need a further Peterson catch-up, can I       recommend a video posted by GQ magazine this week, in       which Jordan is interviewed by the New Statesman’s       Helen Lewis. It’s hard to pick my favourite moment       from the nearly two-hour-long encounter, but I very       much enjoyed the bit where Lewis reasons: “Lobsters       don’t get depressed. I think you’re       anthropomorphising to a ridiculous degree. These are       creatures that urinate out of their faces.”              Then again, it must be said that Peterson spends most       of the interview looking like he’s about to urinate       out of his face. In the entire exchange, he smiles       about once, at some perceived irony in something       wistfully arch that he has just said. One’s primary       takeout is not: here is a man who can laugh at       himself. Which is such a missed opportunity. I am       reminded of the time when Jeffrey Archer told Dame       Edna Everage that “the most important thing is to be       able to laugh at yourself”. “You’d have to do that,”       came the deathlessly sympathetic reply, “otherwise       you’d be missing the joke of the century.”              Other takeouts from the GQ interview? Peterson       dresses and looks like the third Gruber brother from       the Die Hard franchise. As all world cinema fans will       know, the first brother to lose to Bruce Willis’s       grubby-vested cop was played by the late great Alan       Rickman in Die Hard, while the second was played by       Jeremy Irons (himself blue-vested) in Die Hard With a       Vengeance. Peterson very much presents as the third       sibling that Mother Gruber kept at home because he       was “chesty” – though without the self-knowledge to       accept he is a character actor rather than a leading       man.              Perhaps it might be kinder if his agent or publicist       helped him to come to terms with this? As things       stand, each of the several times Peterson intones              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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