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|    a425couple to All    |
|    Boxing Khamenei (2/2)    |
|    12 Jul 25 09:36:54    |
      [continued from previous message]              logical sense in the world being that the United States and Israel were       in full coordination during America's bombing run last weekend, that our       B-2's released those dozen or so Bunker Busters that hit with absolute       precision most likely because there were Israelis on the ground painting       the targets. There were literally eyes on all of the nuclear sites, but       especially Fordow, for a long time. To buy into the theory that the       Iranians just snuck stuff out without the Israelis knowing it doesn't fly.              If you want to entertain a fun possibility, let's say the Iranians did       truck out their weapons-grade uranium. You would also have to assume       that the Israelis knew it as soon as it was happening. Who's to say that       the Mossad didn't run a Red October, and that whatever material was in       question has a new home safe from being used for anything nefarious       again? I'd think that's more plausible, but that's only if you want to       buy into the report that they snuck it out in the first place. The more       likely scenario is whatever uranium was in Fordow is now buried under       thousands of tons of rock and mountain.              As for the Iranian intent to restart and rebuild, beginning with       attempting to get to that enriched uranium buried at Fordow, again,       nothing has changed on the ground. Both the U.S. and Israel are       watching. If one Iranian sinks a shovel into the top of the rock pile to       start digging it out, he won't make it home that night. Israel retains       both the capability and willingness to act preemptively if Iran begins       to cheat on the ceasefire. And Iran is currently powerless to do       anything to stop it.              But now we get to the biggest lesson learned from just the last few       days. There was a legitimate unanswered question of whether or not Ali       Khamenei was a true believer, or just another despot in a long line of       autocrats in world history that are perfectly willing to fight to the       death, so long the dying is done by other people.              If Khamenei were a true cultist, a believer in the 12th or Hidden Imam       sect of Islam that believes ushering in global chaos is what uncaps the       well somewhere, releasing their messiah to come in and set everything       straight, then the ceasefire now orchestrated by Donald Trump is       premature, and nothing will change in their desire to move forward with       the annihilation of both the Big and Little Satan (the U.S. and Israel).       If Khamenei is a true believer, he would not have called the White House       to come to the table and negotiate. He would have been more than willing       to become a martyr and die for his cause. But over the course of the       last 72 hours, that's not what Khamenei did, is it? He did not act like       he believed the Mahdi's return was imminent. He did not embrace becoming       a martyr. He wants to negotiate a way to live and perhaps fight another day.              That answers the question of whether he's a murderous, but rational       monster or a religious zealot, and now that we know, it changes the       dynamic entirely. Khamenei, when you cut through all of the rhetoric,       wants to live another day. He's not ready to check out. Which means, we,       the United States, and especially Israel, now own him - lock, stock and       barrel.              Could revolution come to Iran and overthrow the theocracy? Sure. And if       that happens organically, I'd encourage the people seeking freedom from       afar and help in any way possible. In the meantime, however, Khamenei's       human survival instinct has now placed his clusters, or using the Boxing       Helena analogy, a limbless torso in a box that rests on a desk somewhere       in Jerusalem. Israel knows where Khamenei is at all times. If anyone in       leadership twitches in the direction of restarting the nuclear program,       Israel can and will end Khamenei's life, and that's only if Donald Trump       doesn't beat them to it. Khamenei now rises every day at the pleasure of       the one true God and His chosen people in the land God gave him. He's       been checkmated.              If money flows to proxy groups, the U.S. and Israel will know, and       that's the end of him. No more need for nuclear deals, no more need for       any of that. The leverage is gone. There is no more listening to       complaints filed at the United Nations. Europe leaders have not       criticized the 12-day war with Iran. Things have changed.              Even if you believe Iran snuck the uranium out, and they have it       somewhere else safe in Iran and intend to build bombs with it, they       don't have the other implements of destruction necessary to finish the       assembly process they once had at the other nuclear sites of Natanz and       Isfahan. They no longer have a functional ballistic missile program, nor       the personnel to design and build them. There are Israeli eyes and ears       literally on everything sensitive in the country, and that number of       surveillance operative will only increase in the coming months because       again, Khamenei is powerless to stop it. He's been compromised. Iran no       longer has a functional standing army or navy to speak of, and the       prison that used to house political dissidents has been hit. Iran now       has enough on their plate just to keep the regime in power, let alone       project power elsewhere.              Now that Iran has been taken off the table as a viable threat for the       foreseeable future, let the next round of Abraham Accords begin to       bloom. There is still hard work ahead for Israel with Hamas and       Hezbollah holdouts that are the true believers, as we saw in the death       of seven Israeli soldiers in Southern Gaza when their armored vehicle       was hit by a Hamas terrorist's explosive. The cost has been       extraordinarily high for Israel going back to October 7th, and honestly,       for decades before that. No one should minimize the human and       psychological toll on Israelis and Americans, and for that matter, Sunni       Arabs as well, by the evil regime emanating from Tehran. But not to       recognize a victory so complete it had to have a hand of Divine       Providence guiding it would also be a mistake. It's nothing short of       miraculous to see where the Middle East rests compared to what it looked       like even a month ago.              The next report you see in media about 'but Trump this', or 'Trump       that,' say a prayer for another moment of God's providence. A quarter of       an inch, a slight turn of the head in Butler, Pennsylvania 11 months       ago, and the United States, the Middle East, and the entire world would       look a lot different, and very likely more menacing, than it does right now.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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