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   a425couple to All   
   Boxing Khamenei (2/2)   
   12 Jul 25 09:36:54   
   
   [continued from previous message]   
      
   logical sense in the world being that the United States and Israel were   
   in full coordination during America's bombing run last weekend, that our   
   B-2's released those dozen or so Bunker Busters that hit with absolute   
   precision most likely because there were Israelis on the ground painting   
   the targets. There were literally eyes on all of the nuclear sites, but   
   especially Fordow, for a long time. To buy into the theory that the   
   Iranians just snuck stuff out without the Israelis knowing it doesn't fly.   
      
   If you want to entertain a fun possibility, let's say the Iranians did   
   truck out their weapons-grade uranium. You would also have to assume   
   that the Israelis knew it as soon as it was happening. Who's to say that   
   the Mossad didn't run a Red October, and that whatever material was in   
   question has a new home safe from being used for anything nefarious   
   again? I'd think that's more plausible, but that's only if you want to   
   buy into the report that they snuck it out in the first place. The more   
   likely scenario is whatever uranium was in Fordow is now buried under   
   thousands of tons of rock and mountain.   
      
   As for the Iranian intent to restart and rebuild, beginning with   
   attempting to get to that enriched uranium buried at Fordow, again,   
   nothing has changed on the ground. Both the U.S. and Israel are   
   watching. If one Iranian sinks a shovel into the top of the rock pile to   
   start digging it out, he won't make it home that night. Israel retains   
   both the capability and willingness to act preemptively if Iran begins   
   to cheat on the ceasefire. And Iran is currently powerless to do   
   anything to stop it.   
      
   But now we get to the biggest lesson learned from just the last few   
   days. There was a legitimate unanswered question of whether or not Ali   
   Khamenei was a true believer, or just another despot in a long line of   
   autocrats in world history that are perfectly willing to fight to the   
   death, so long the dying is done by other people.   
      
   If Khamenei were a true cultist, a believer in the 12th or Hidden Imam   
   sect of Islam that believes ushering in global chaos is what uncaps the   
   well somewhere, releasing their messiah to come in and set everything   
   straight, then the ceasefire now orchestrated by Donald Trump is   
   premature, and nothing will change in their desire to move forward with   
   the annihilation of both the Big and Little Satan (the U.S. and Israel).   
   If Khamenei is a true believer, he would not have called the White House   
   to come to the table and negotiate. He would have been more than willing   
   to become a martyr and die for his cause. But over the course of the   
   last 72 hours, that's not what Khamenei did, is it? He did not act like   
   he believed the Mahdi's return was imminent. He did not embrace becoming   
   a martyr. He wants to negotiate a way to live and perhaps fight another day.   
      
   That answers the question of whether he's a murderous, but rational   
   monster or a religious zealot, and now that we know, it changes the   
   dynamic entirely. Khamenei, when you cut through all of the rhetoric,   
   wants to live another day. He's not ready to check out. Which means, we,   
   the United States, and especially Israel, now own him - lock, stock and   
   barrel.   
      
   Could revolution come to Iran and overthrow the theocracy? Sure. And if   
   that happens organically, I'd encourage the people seeking freedom from   
   afar and help in any way possible. In the meantime, however, Khamenei's   
   human survival instinct has now placed his clusters, or using the Boxing   
   Helena analogy, a limbless torso in a box that rests on a desk somewhere   
   in Jerusalem. Israel knows where Khamenei is at all times. If anyone in   
   leadership twitches in the direction of restarting the nuclear program,   
   Israel can and will end Khamenei's life, and that's only if Donald Trump   
   doesn't beat them to it. Khamenei now rises every day at the pleasure of   
   the one true God and His chosen people in the land God gave him. He's   
   been checkmated.   
      
   If money flows to proxy groups, the U.S. and Israel will know, and   
   that's the end of him. No more need for nuclear deals, no more need for   
   any of that. The leverage is gone. There is no more listening to   
   complaints filed at the United Nations. Europe leaders have not   
   criticized the 12-day war with Iran. Things have changed.   
      
   Even if you believe Iran snuck the uranium out, and they have it   
   somewhere else safe in Iran and intend to build bombs with it, they   
   don't have the other implements of destruction necessary to finish the   
   assembly process they once had at the other nuclear sites of Natanz and   
   Isfahan. They no longer have a functional ballistic missile program, nor   
   the personnel to design and build them. There are Israeli eyes and ears   
   literally on everything sensitive in the country, and that number of   
   surveillance operative will only increase in the coming months because   
   again, Khamenei is powerless to stop it. He's been compromised. Iran no   
   longer has a functional standing army or navy to speak of, and the   
   prison that used to house political dissidents has been hit. Iran now   
   has enough on their plate just to keep the regime in power, let alone   
   project power elsewhere.   
      
   Now that Iran has been taken off the table as a viable threat for the   
   foreseeable future, let the next round of Abraham Accords begin to   
   bloom. There is still hard work ahead for Israel with Hamas and   
   Hezbollah holdouts that are the true believers, as we saw in the death   
   of seven Israeli soldiers in Southern Gaza when their armored vehicle   
   was hit by a Hamas terrorist's explosive. The cost has been   
   extraordinarily high for Israel going back to October 7th, and honestly,   
   for decades before that. No one should minimize the human and   
   psychological toll on Israelis and Americans, and for that matter, Sunni   
   Arabs as well, by the evil regime emanating from Tehran. But not to   
   recognize a victory so complete it had to have a hand of Divine   
   Providence guiding it would also be a mistake. It's nothing short of   
   miraculous to see where the Middle East rests compared to what it looked   
   like even a month ago.   
      
   The next report you see in media about 'but Trump this', or 'Trump   
   that,' say a prayer for another moment of God's providence. A quarter of   
   an inch, a slight turn of the head in Butler, Pennsylvania 11 months   
   ago, and the United States, the Middle East, and the entire world would   
   look a lot different, and very likely more menacing, than it does right now.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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