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|    Re: Boxing Khamenei (2/2)    |
|    12 Jul 25 12:10:58    |
      [continued from previous message]              > commanders, air defense systems, ballistic missile launchers, and other       > strategic infrastructure with little to no collateral damage, Iran as a       > sovereign state was, and remains, entirely naked, defensively speaking.       > None of that goes away with the ceasefire coming in.       >       > As part of that intelligence, It is unconfirmed, but makes all the       > logical sense in the world being that the United States and Israel were       > in full coordination during America's bombing run last weekend, that our       > B-2's released those dozen or so Bunker Busters that hit with absolute       > precision most likely because there were Israelis on the ground painting       > the targets. There were literally eyes on all of the nuclear sites, but       > especially Fordow, for a long time. To buy into the theory that the       > Iranians just snuck stuff out without the Israelis knowing it doesn't fly.       >       > If you want to entertain a fun possibility, let's say the Iranians did       > truck out their weapons-grade uranium. You would also have to assume       > that the Israelis knew it as soon as it was happening. Who's to say that       > the Mossad didn't run a Red October, and that whatever material was in       > question has a new home safe from being used for anything nefarious       > again? I'd think that's more plausible, but that's only if you want to       > buy into the report that they snuck it out in the first place. The more       > likely scenario is whatever uranium was in Fordow is now buried under       > thousands of tons of rock and mountain.       >       > As for the Iranian intent to restart and rebuild, beginning with       > attempting to get to that enriched uranium buried at Fordow, again,       > nothing has changed on the ground. Both the U.S. and Israel are       > watching. If one Iranian sinks a shovel into the top of the rock pile to       > start digging it out, he won't make it home that night. Israel retains       > both the capability and willingness to act preemptively if Iran begins       > to cheat on the ceasefire. And Iran is currently powerless to do       > anything to stop it.       >       > But now we get to the biggest lesson learned from just the last few       > days. There was a legitimate unanswered question of whether or not Ali       > Khamenei was a true believer, or just another despot in a long line of       > autocrats in world history that are perfectly willing to fight to the       > death, so long the dying is done by other people.       >       > If Khamenei were a true cultist, a believer in the 12th or Hidden Imam       > sect of Islam that believes ushering in global chaos is what uncaps the       > well somewhere, releasing their messiah to come in and set everything       > straight, then the ceasefire now orchestrated by Donald Trump is       > premature, and nothing will change in their desire to move forward with       > the annihilation of both the Big and Little Satan (the U.S. and Israel).       > If Khamenei is a true believer, he would not have called the White House       > to come to the table and negotiate. He would have been more than willing       > to become a martyr and die for his cause. But over the course of the       > last 72 hours, that's not what Khamenei did, is it? He did not act like       > he believed the Mahdi's return was imminent. He did not embrace becoming       > a martyr. He wants to negotiate a way to live and perhaps fight another       > day.       >       > That answers the question of whether he's a murderous, but rational       > monster or a religious zealot, and now that we know, it changes the       > dynamic entirely. Khamenei, when you cut through all of the rhetoric,       > wants to live another day. He's not ready to check out. Which means, we,       > the United States, and especially Israel, now own him - lock, stock and       > barrel.       >       > Could revolution come to Iran and overthrow the theocracy? Sure. And if       > that happens organically, I'd encourage the people seeking freedom from       > afar and help in any way possible. In the meantime, however, Khamenei's       > human survival instinct has now placed his clusters, or using the Boxing       > Helena analogy, a limbless torso in a box that rests on a desk somewhere       > in Jerusalem. Israel knows where Khamenei is at all times. If anyone in       > leadership twitches in the direction of restarting the nuclear program,       > Israel can and will end Khamenei's life, and that's only if Donald Trump       > doesn't beat them to it. Khamenei now rises every day at the pleasure of       > the one true God and His chosen people in the land God gave him. He's       > been checkmated.       >       > If money flows to proxy groups, the U.S. and Israel will know, and       > that's the end of him. No more need for nuclear deals, no more need for       > any of that. The leverage is gone. There is no more listening to       > complaints filed at the United Nations. Europe leaders have not       > criticized the 12-day war with Iran. Things have changed.       >       > Even if you believe Iran snuck the uranium out, and they have it       > somewhere else safe in Iran and intend to build bombs with it, they       > don't have the other implements of destruction necessary to finish the       > assembly process they once had at the other nuclear sites of Natanz and       > Isfahan. They no longer have a functional ballistic missile program, nor       > the personnel to design and build them. There are Israeli eyes and ears       > literally on everything sensitive in the country, and that number of       > surveillance operative will only increase in the coming months because       > again, Khamenei is powerless to stop it. He's been compromised. Iran no       > longer has a functional standing army or navy to speak of, and the       > prison that used to house political dissidents has been hit. Iran now       > has enough on their plate just to keep the regime in power, let alone       > project power elsewhere.       >       > Now that Iran has been taken off the table as a viable threat for the       > foreseeable future, let the next round of Abraham Accords begin to       > bloom. There is still hard work ahead for Israel with Hamas and       > Hezbollah holdouts that are the true believers, as we saw in the death       > of seven Israeli soldiers in Southern Gaza when their armored vehicle       > was hit by a Hamas terrorist's explosive. The cost has been       > extraordinarily high for Israel going back to October 7th, and honestly,       > for decades before that. No one should minimize the human and       > psychological toll on Israelis and Americans, and for that matter, Sunni       > Arabs as well, by the evil regime emanating from Tehran. But not to       > recognize a victory so complete it had to have a hand of Divine       > Providence guiding it would also be a mistake. It's nothing short of       > miraculous to see where the Middle East rests compared to what it looked       > like even a month ago.       >       > The next report you see in media about 'but Trump this', or 'Trump       > that,' say a prayer for another moment of God's providence. A quarter of       > an inch, a slight turn of the head in Butler, Pennsylvania 11 months       > ago, and the United States, the Middle East, and the entire world would       > look a lot different, and very likely more menacing, than it does right       > now.       >       TL; DR F!              --       Hasbro              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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