From: fungus@amongus.com   
      
   On 08 Jul 2022 02:59:57 -0300   
   Mike Spencer  wrote:   
      
   > It still strikes me that something is wrong if an incandescent   
   > contains one tungsten filament while the LED contains 4 capacitors, 7   
   > microchips, a transformer and a soldered cuircuit board in an aluminum   
   > (lots of enegy to mfgr.) and plastic (petrochemicals) shell.   
      
      
   > Haven't looked at this one yet. Can I expect "LED-Professionals" to   
   > be honest about LEDs? :-\   
      
      
   I honestly believe you are onto something.  The skeleton in solar's   
   closet by the way is that the economics look much worse if you take into   
   consideration the energy used to create solar panels from perovskite   
   silicon, and there's no answer for their disposal yet.  I don't think   
   there's a cover-up, just more attention being paid to getting people   
   weaned from petroleum.  (Hi, Germany!!)  We'll tackle this next.   
      
   But you are right: that's a lot of manufactured "stuff" using a lot of   
   energy.  I can only assume the industry is hand-waving at present,   
   hoping that economies of scale and hopefully yet-undiscovered   
   technology will deal with the problem at a future date.   
      
   I installed a fleet of LEDs throughout my house and was glad to see my   
   electricity bill go down.  Small victories, I suppose?   
      
   By the way: that deafening silence you hear at present is the "never   
   again nuclear" people realizing that a future sans petroleum will have   
   nuclear power plants in it one way or the other.  The alternative is -   
   gasp - asking people to consume less and live a less energy-intensive   
   lifestyle. A political suicide move at best.   
      
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