From: mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere   
      
   Retrograde  writes:   
      
   > On 08 Jul 2022 02:59:57 -0300   
   > Mike Spencer  wrote:   
   >   
   >> It still strikes me that something is wrong if an incandescent   
   >> contains one tungsten filament while the LED contains 4 capacitors, 7   
   >> microchips, a transformer and a soldered cuircuit board in an aluminum   
   >> (lots of enegy to mfgr.) and plastic (petrochemicals) shell.   
   >   
   >   
   > > Haven't looked at this one yet. Can I expect "LED-Professionals" to   
   > > be honest about LEDs? :-\   
   >   
   >   
   > I honestly believe you are onto something.  The skeleton in solar's   
   > closet by the way is that the economics look much worse if you take into   
   > consideration the energy used to create solar panels from perovskite   
   > silicon, and there's no answer for their disposal yet.  I don't think   
   > there's a cover-up, just more attention being paid to getting people   
   > weaned from petroleum.   
      
   Yeah,  like that.   
      
   > But you are right:   
      
   Nice of you to think so. :-)   
      
   > that's a lot of manufactured "stuff" using a lot of   
   > energy.   
      
   Yeah.   
      
   > I installed a fleet of LEDs throughout my house and was glad to see my   
   > electricity bill go down.  Small victories, I suppose?   
      
   Some LEDs I've installed have been up for years.  Some last a few   
   months.  Similar for halide. Haven't even looked at the bills.   
      
   > By the way: that deafening silence you hear at present is the "never   
   > again nuclear" people realizing that a future sans petroleum will have   
   > nuclear power plants in it one way or the other.  The alternative is -   
   > gasp - asking people to consume less and live a less energy-intensive   
   > lifestyle. A political suicide move at best.   
      
   All true.  Not a pleasing prospect.  If it's hitting 110+ F. people   
   are going to crank up the AC until the grid fails.  Then what?   
   (Literally) shovel on more coal?   
      
   --   
   Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)