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   From: david250@videotron.ca   
      
   On 06/09/2012 10:13 AM, ttonon@verizon.net wrote:   
   > On May 29, 10:22 pm, David Bernier  wrote:   
   >>   Classical mechanics evolves   
   >> deterministically.  Quantum systems, when measured,   
   >> are found to be in states "Up", "Down"  for no reason,   
   >> simply following the laws of chance.   
   >>   
   >> That's the way things appear to be, AFAIK .   
   >>   
   >   
   > It appears differently when you consider the "Free Will Theorem,"   
   > which states, in common lingo, that "If we humans have Free Will, then   
   > so do elementary particles."  On the princeton.edu web site, you can   
   > find a series of six lectures, given by John Conway, one of the   
   > authors of this theorem, in which he extensively discusses the   
   > theorem, its proof, and its scientific and philosophical implications.   
   >   
   > Regards,   
   > Tom   
      
   I'm still waiting for quantum theory and gravitation to be reconciled.   
   Physics has been around in a serious way since the time of Galileo,   
   with the study and laws of dynamics.   
   Archimedes was a geometer and applied mathematician/engineer.   
      
   Unknown physics (roughly "unknown phenomena") remains unknown   
   until it becomes known.   
      
   How could we know that we know all possible causes/explanations?   
   I'm not sure how we could know that, with some degree of   
   confidence. One of the assumptions in FWT is that experimenters   
   are free to choose how to set up their apparatuses.   
      
   Anyway, it's an interesting article (by Conway and Kochen), and   
   rather heavy reading too ...   
      
   Dave   
      
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