On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 2:23:48 AM UTC-5, Mikko Syrjalahti wrote:   
   > hai@gmail.com writes:   
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   > > On Monday, January 13, 2014 12:31:22 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:   
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   > >> This is all just math, you don't have to wave a dead chicken over it.   
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   > > Well, if you average as you say, then you are including the accumulated   
   noise plus signal portion, ie, the entire empire state building. But if you   
   subtract this dead portion, that would be the noise floor at 30,000 or so in   
   Horowitz, then you have    
   the signal at high SNR. The signal emerges in his example after 100,000   
   sweeps, so you do not need anything below 30,000 or so. Above that it's all   
   clean signal. An overall average will include the noise as well.    
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   > Phil is too modest to push you his book. You really should buy his   
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   > excellent book 'Building Electro-Optical Systems: Making It all Work',   
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   > ISBN 0470402296.    
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   > It covers optics, electronics and signal processing and I'm sure you'd    
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   > find it very useful to your project!   
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   > Mikko OH2HVJ   
      
   Dear Mikko,   
   Phil may be too smart to swing his weight around like that, did that occur to   
   you? On a personal note, I will tell you how to free your mind from its   
   shackles, so that neither an AK47 pointed at your head, nor Richard Feynman in   
   person, nor anything at    
   all will bother you in the least. You will know who you are, and have personal   
   power. However, I'm not interested in endless debates.   
   How do you like Finland? I have been impressed with the several scientists   
   from Finland I have worked with.   
   take care   
   JB   
      
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