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|    Re: Reasonably priced Avalanche PhotoDio    |
|    07 Apr 14 09:46:06    |
      Phil,              Any chance you can share a reference circuit with us?                            >       >       > >>> Phil,       >       > >>       >       > >>>       >       > >>       >       > >>> I own a copy of your book. It is fantastic great job.       >       > >>       >       > >>>       >       > >>       >       > >>> My current system, I sense an object that is far away using a       >       > >>> very weak laser. (For various reasons, it needs to be weak and it       >       > >>> is pulsed at a low frequency of 1MHz) My distance of sensing is       >       > >>> 400mm.       >       > >>       >       > >>> Now for a next version, I need to extend my distance of sensing       >       > >>> to 4Meter. I currently use a si-pd and I have done a lot to make       >       > >>> this current system work at 400mm, now I need 10x the       >       > >>> improvement, based on my experience I don't think I can get this       >       > >>> done, hence the Avalanche PD idea.       >       > >>       >       > >> The thing about APDs is that they multiply the shot noise of the       >       > >> ambient light as well as the signal, so they're really only useful       >       > >> when you'd otherwise be in the Johnson noise limit. A gain of M       >       > >> lets you drop the feedback resistance by a factor of M**2, so in       >       > >> some situations that's a win.       >       > >>       >       > >> Advanced front ends are much cheaper, though--usually only a few       >       > >> dollars in onesies.       >       > >>       >       > >> How much photocurrent are you expecting to have, and how big is       >       > >> your detector?       >       > >>       >       > >> Any possibility of putting some retroreflecting tape on the target?       >       > >> That's good for a factor of about 3000 (70 dB electrical) compared       >       > >> to a Lambertian scatterer.       >       > >>       >       >       >       > > Hi Phil...       >       > >       >       > > On my current system I get about 5nA from a 7mm2 PD. My current       >       > > system gain is about 6M times.       >       > >       >       > > No reflector tape is possible, however I will push the laser to a       >       > > higher power while reducing the duty cycle to that average power is       >       > > preserved, the issue is even a low frequency of 1-2MHz rise time       >       > > becomes a problem . I will probably give a higher negative bias to       >       > > reduce the capacitance so that the rise time could be gained back. I       >       > > expect to gain 6db by way of pushing laser power and some other       >       > > optical means, if I can squeeze the duty cycle to half or more       >       > > another additional 3db lurking somewhere there, so all in all       >       > > perhaps I can gain another 10db but I think I need more like 25db       >       > > improvement to achieve a good signal SNR.       >       > >       >       > > Anyway, I will spin a board to see if I could solve the problems       >       > > this way. Last resort is APD.       >       >       >       > One method is to use an integrating front end, with a DC restore loop to       >       > get rid of the background photocurrent, and then differentiate again       >       > afterwards. I did that with an IR remote control for Samsung Research       >       > about 4 years ago. Using a couple of BPV22NF diodes, which are probably       >       > similar to the ones you're using, I got about a factor of 4 more light       >       > than a single diode of the sort you're using. Due to the moderate       >       > capacitance of the parallelled PDs, it ran about 10 dB above shot noise       >       > at 1 MHz and 10 nA. (The one I did with JL & Co. is a few decibels       >       > better than that, and has a nice flat response, but the design is       >       > tweaked to the eyeballs and it needs some production adjustments.)       >       >       >       > The Samsung one used a pair of BF862s as a bootstrapped bootstrap, with       >       > another pair running as a peaked common-source amplifier with a low       >       > noise BJT cascode stage (300 uH || 2.4k in the collector circuit).       >       > There was a 1-pF feedback cap across the common-source stage, and       >       > capacitive coupling into the second stage. It wound up with a broad       >       > peak around the 1-MHz subcarrier frequency.       >       >       >       > Since you know where your laser is pointing, a lens on the receive side       >       > would be a big help!       >       >       >       > Cheers       >       >       >       > Phil Hobbs       >       >       >       > --       >       > Dr Philip C D Hobbs       >       > Principal Consultant       >       > ElectroOptical Innovations LLC       >       > Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics       >       >       >       > 160 North State Road #203       >       > Briarcliff Manor NY 10510       >       >       >       > hobbs at electrooptical dot net       >       > http://electrooptical.net              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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