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|    Gerhard to All    |
|    Re: How to violate the (Clausius stateme    |
|    22 Apr 14 21:07:32    |
      From: gusenet@gmx.net              Am Dienstag, 22. April 2014 22:12:40 UTC+2 schrieb gghe...@gmail.com:       >        > > So when one beam can get from a certain point P at one blackbody to a       point Q to the other blackbody, there is always a way back, from Q to P - and       vice versa. The prove focuses on another fact, that the intensity differ.       >       > Hmm, how does that happen? (different intensities.)       >        > I mean if the two bodies are at the same temperature.              This is the main point of the idea. Firstly, the sheet with the lower       refractive index acts like a filter for certain angles (but the same for both       directions). Secondly, this filter is not parallel to one of the black bodies.       The combination of both        facts will generate this effect. But nevertheless the optical propagation here       is reciprocal.                     > > The simplest statement for "Reciprocity" regarding optics states that 'if       I can see you, then you can see me'. This remains true for this setup. The       equality of the amount is proved by using the second law of thermodynamics,       which is however only an        empirically validated postulate.       >        > Well as far as I'm concerned everything we know in science is empirically       validated. You do the experiment to test your theory. (You can't fool me       with those big words :^)              Many laws are mathematical proved, like the first law, and of course this fact       is empirically validated.        The second law about "heat can flow spontaneously from a colder to the hotter       body" is only a validated postulate, since in daily life you don't cannot see       such an effect. However it may exists like the Maxwell's demon h       tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/       Maxwell%27s_demon        I wrote a simple simulation program (for another purpose) using the Monte       Carlo method, starting beams randomly from both blackbodies and calculate the       reflections and absorption. When I simulate that all sheets are parallel, no       net flux appear. But        using this setup I described (including the sheet with the lower refractive       index) the net flux will appear.               Gerhard              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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