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|    haiticare2011@gmail.com to Phil Hobbs    |
|    Re: How to violate the (Clausius stateme    |
|    25 Apr 14 06:38:20    |
      On Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:59:45 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:                     >       > Heat flows from hot to cold because in statistical mechanics, the ratio       >       > of the probabilities (basically the state densities) favours that       >       > direction by so large a factor that it's overwhelmingly probable that no       >       > vaguely macroscopic hot object has ever got hotter by spontaneous heat       >       > transfer from a colder object in the entire history of the universe.       >              > Dr Philip C D Hobbs              "Statistical mechanics" sounds complex and authoritarian, but it is just a way       to calculate gas laws, historically. But it gets violated every instant of time       - it's called Brownian Motion, and Einstein the first to examine it       theoretically.       To say that statistical mechanics precludes violating it is like saying, since       all electric currents in solid conductors cancel out, then manipulation of       electrons is impossible.       It's true, perpetual motion machines are to be treated with skepticism, but as       a point in the philosophy of science, there is no law that precludes them on       theoretical grounds.       Yet we "know"it's impossible. So - maybe the best approach is to "prove" why       not. But, as math is not science, statistics of macroscopic systems is not       enough. What is needed?       That's where Leo Szilard comes in, as the source of Shannon's work. Basically,       Einstein's pet said that a demon must know the trajectory of the molecule to       sort it and violate the 2nd law. That "know" = gain in negentropy =>       information as "entropy-stuff."       It was an attempt, in the 1950's, to bring information into the purvey of       classical physics. There were a number of conferences on "information theory,"       but its pretty much a seldom-used nomogram for communicatin engineers today.       I'm sure not everyone will agree with that assessment, but I will close with an       historical-social remark. Classical physics started, and then continued, a view       of the clock-work universe which man was separate from. So observations on the       planets and Newton portrayed a world which ran like a clock that did not need        winding.       Enter Quantum Mechanics. Suddenly man's choices, even mental choices and       consciousness itself, was mixed up with the world clock. Classical physics is       incorrect scientifically, psychologically, and socially. Information theory       was the old reductionist scientific approach attempting to put the genie back       in       the bottle.       Today, there still isn't a complete theory of physics and consciousness. It is       clear that many social problems come from treating man as a machine. But many       theoretical physicists today think as I have presented, and I talk with some of       them, resulting in tiresome posts like this. :)              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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