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|    Roland Franzius to All    |
|    Re: Is the "uncertainty principle" a law    |
|    13 Mar 17 00:42:01    |
      From: roland.franzius@uos.de              Am 11.03.2017 um 03:25 schrieb Nicolaas Vroom:       > IMO the problem is in the uncertainty principle.       > The Bohr model is in some sense a mathematical model of an atom.       > This model allows you to calculate the emission and absorption energies       > of photons, validated by experiments.              No. The Bohr model is a nice example for a theory that accidentally       gives the right numbers from an abstruse model.              The idea of a Bohr orbit with integer wave number on a circle makes       the energy dependent on circular orbits confined to a greatest       circle. Classically the circilar Kepler orbits are the states of       minimal energy at fixed angular momentum, which is universally a       conserved quantity and quantized in the integers in wave states by       the wave number on circles of latitude.              Only the accidental Kepler degeneration of states with respect to       the angular momentum at fixed energy, special to the 1/r and r^2       potentials relates the L-wave number at lowest energy to the       degenerate total energy quantum number.              The correct quantum energy level scaling by the Bohr radius r/rB       is not more than another mathematical accident reavealing a greater       symmetry group than the evident rotation group.              There is no chance to fit a bunch of waves of the same wavelength       onto any of the set of Kepler ellipses allowed by constant quantized       energy and variing integer angular momentum.              Most puzzling fact is that the classical states with angular meomentum       L=3D0 at fixed energy are ellipses with small axis=3D0, rays with       the center at one end classically, while they are represented by       spherical symmetric constant charge distributions in quantum theory.              The tragedy of the Bohr model continues if one is trying to test       the Schr=F6dinger model for the Helium atom with four particles.              In the Helium atom there are no symmetries at all and no modelling       idea fits the exactly measurable spectral data in an acceptabe       precision until the day before yesterday.              The areas of atomic and nuclear states and molecular binding present       a completely unsolved or unrelated bunch of stories of n-particle       entanglement mechanisms.              The simulation exceeds any computer capacity conceivable even in       the times of the intelligent cloud.              A funny example of interaction of modelling and reality is the       financial market world.              It is not simulated on computers to model human action and the       statistical time evolution anymore.              The global market today is the bunch of algorithms running on       computers to make decisions and the set of statistical analysis       tools to produce decision controlling data sets in the microsecond       time scale.              --              Roland Franzius              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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