XPost: sci.astro.research   
   From: jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr   
      
   Le 02/06/2017 à 09:16, Poutnik a écrit :   
   > Thermodynamics generally does not care,   
   > what time it takes for a system   
   > to get into the preferred final state.   
      
   "Final state" implies time.   
      
   Atoms A and B in gas state are inserted into a container in proportion   
   1:1. The final state is an almost perfect distribution of a mixture of   
   both gases. We do not expect the gases to appear separated after some   
   time. That is the accepted final state of a smooth distribution for two   
   gases in a container at room temperature say.   
      
   But is it the final state?   
      
   Surely not, since if not given any external energy, the final state of   
   the mixture could be a separated mixture of frozen A and B at almost   
   absolute zero. Let's suppose that when freezing, gases A and B do not   
   mix easily.   
      
   Time is always there in all physics. The concept of "final state"   
   implies time, you see?   
      
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