From: heathjohn2@gmail.com   
      
   On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 8:45:19 AM UTC-4, Jay R. Yablon wrote:   
   > On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 5:27:38 AM UTC-4, John Heath wrote:   
   > > On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 11:15:52 AM UTC-4, Tom Roberts wrote:   
   > > > On 6/4/17 6/4/17 - 1:47 AM, John Heath wrote:   
   > > > > It has been my observation that in physics there seems to be   
   > > > > two types, a noodle head and a bean counter. [...]   
   > > >   
   > > > In my experience, ESPECIALLY on the Internet, there is another type:   
   > > > people with no experience or understanding of physics or physicists,   
   > > > but who attempt to write about them anyway.   
   > > >   
   > > > Tom Roberts   
   > >   
   > > Hmmm an emotional need for a social pecking order. I was not prepared   
   > > for this and it is somewhat off topic. Back to physics.   
   > >   
   > > I made a statement that electrodynamics does not use length contraction.   
   > > Do you agree ? If not why?   
   > >   
   > > A bolder statement was made that a pion and a kaon can be derived from a   
   > > Koide formula. Do you think this is possible? Are you curious as to how?   
   > >   
   > > It would please me to no end to address these question.   
   >   
   > I am game to know how.  But I would caution that just getting numbers   
   > alone while necessary is not sufficient.  There needs to be some   
   > underlying theory as to why the approach would make physical sense.   
   > While I do credit the Koide mass formula as being indicative of   
   > something deeper, the reason it does not garner more attention is   
   > because there is no physical theory attached. Same thing with the   
   > recursive DeVries formula for the fine structure number.   
   >   
   > I agree that electrodynamics does not use time and length contractions.   
   > But it should.   
      
   But it should , hmmm. I would enjoy hearing your argument that it   
   should as I am still on the fence but leaning towards no. No as the   
   noodle heads in electrical engineering are reluctant to write of a   
   magnet field as just a relativistic effect as length contraction   
   as some issues. A disk with current flowing in a circle. You see   
   their problem . How to length contract a disk for more electrons   
   as there are only so many electrons to begin with. Electrodynamics   
   of moving bodies simply changes the properties of the electron not   
   it's length therefore resolving the problem.   
      
   Back to the Koide. The way I see it it is not the Koide formula   
   that needs attention. It works fine. The problem is to use it in   
   such a way that the quark model and QCD do not take a hit. If either   
   quark or QCD takes a hit 50 years of physics by out finest minds   
   will be lost. I think I have found a way to have the cake and eat   
   it where Koide is right and the quark model / QCD are also correct.   
      
   First the pion hit. Be prepare to tap your head with the palm of   
   your hand as it turned out to be easy. As you are familiar with   
   this I feel liberated to use short hand.   
      
   Definition of terms:   
   E Electron   
   M Muon   
   T Tauon   
   Top =3D numerical value of the 2 in 2/3 , proton * 2   
   KL =3D a Koide low hit   
   KH =3D a Koide high hit   
   > =3D Koide formula   
      
   Pion   
    E   M  >  KL  T   
    KL  M  > E  KH   
    E  KH  > 138.176 negative pion   
      
   The Koide low hit 3.317 MeV is somehow the seed number for the Pion   
   hit much like the Muon is the seed number for a Tauon hit with the   
   electron being fundamental to both.   
      
   The KL can not be a lepton as someone would have noticed. I am   
   treating it like a gluon following Mr Koide's suggestion of a lepton   
   boson mix.   
      
   These are the results of the KL gluon approach.   
      
    Top /2 proton 941 MeV - KL gluon 938.112   
      
    Top * 2 alpha 3764 MeV - 4 quark gluons and - 4 KL for quark to   
    quark bonds. Think of this as a preferred strong force position.   
    Alpha now 3726.288 with a loss of 24.444 MeV . 4 Hydrogen to helium   
    on our sun is a loss of 26.5 MeV so the KL as a gluon is in the   
    ball park. I was hoping you will find some of this usefull. If so   
    it would put a smile on my face.   
      
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