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|    Jos Bergervoet to LuigiFortunati    |
|    Re: A calculation (perhaps) impossible    |
|    30 Jul 17 07:00:12    |
      From: jos.bergervoet@xs4all.nl              On 7/29/2017 1:10 PM, LuigiFortunati wrote:       > The traveling twin starts and goes back to Earth where he finds his       > 80-year-old brother aged as he is only 10 years old.       >       > The wristwatch on the twin traveler's wrist marks (of course) the       > 10-year time.       >       > The earth twin during the years of the trip has been flashing every 10       > years (his).       >       > The last lightning is emitted at the time of the return of the ship,       > when the Earth clock marks the 80-year time and the wrist watch on       > the twin traveler marks 10 years.       >       > Calculation (perhaps) impossible is this: at the ejection of the       > penultimate lightning (when the Earth clock marked 70 years) what time       > was the watch on the wrist of the traveling twin?              You assume constant speed except for the instantaneous       change at turn-around and at departure and arrival, I       assume?              And you want the answer for the simultaneous events       in the Earth's reference frame coordinates, I assume?       Then it is 8.75 years (if the watch shows, years..)              The answer is different if you ask for simultaneous       events in the traveling twin's reference frame. In       that case it is 5 years, it is in the moment when       the twin changes direction (very suddenly) and in       his frame of reference the Earth-bound clock moves       from 0.625 years to 79.375 years, and the Earth sends       7 flashes of light in one single moment. Actually the       twin changes his reference frame infinitely fast at       that point, which is rather unphysical.              You should better take a scenario with a smooth       reversal of direction at the turn-around. But that       wouldn't change the basic fact: the answer depends       on the reference frame if you ask "what was the       situation *on the ship* when a certain event happened       *on Earth*".              This is best analyzed by imagining two very long       trains, one moving with high velocity past the other.       Then there is a point of the first train adjacent to       a point of the other train for all the questions of       the kind you are asking here. As long as you *do not*       try to change direction of the moving train it is       relatively simple in that case.              --       Jos              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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