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|    Douglas Eagleson to Sylvia Else    |
|    Re: The universe of the traveling twin    |
|    30 Jul 17 12:10:36    |
      From: eaglesondouglas@gmail.com              On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 3:00:15 AM UTC-4, Sylvia Else wrote:       > On 29/07/2017 9:10 PM, Ernard Hevalier wrote:       > > Sylvia Else wrote:       > >       > >> If one abruptly rotates the plane (analogous to an abrupt switch of       > >> frame in SR), then the projected length of the rod abruptly changes.       > >       > > What is your obsession with abrupt changes. I suspect a lack of control=20       > > engineering somewhere.       > >       > >       >       > Abrupt changes are easier to handle in thought experiments. While a       > truly abrupt change is physically impossible, one can make the change       > arbitrarily rapid so as to bring a physically possible change as close       > as one likes to the one in the thought experiment.       >                     I was trying to resolve the dilemma of which thunderstorms       have electron storm type currents in relation to the       Van Allen belt. The need was predictive capacity of storms       at the International Space Station. This was back in the       days where people were waking up to the odd radiation-electric       phenomena at the top of certain thunderstorms.              I spent some time in a light aircraft observing thunderstorms.       On one trip on the backside of frontal thunderstorms crossing       the Appalachian range I was seeing a normal storm cell growth       at a constant rate. They were simply going to grow to the size       that the rate, as determined by air state, dictated. My question       was, why would this frontal line not grow to exhibit Van Allen       relative electron field?              All of a sudden the front stalled out and stopped moving west to       east, it went stationary. It stopped moving exactly on top of the       longest continuous ridge in the range. And all of a sudden       the rate of growth rate changed causing the rate of change of       a rate being physically important.              Why does this matter example wise when car braking exhibits       the characteristic also? Because kinetics needs second order       state change, functionally, or perhaps first order variable.       Kinetics here means any object state changing relative       to another.              My comment is to clarify the importance of explicitly choosing       one of these kinetic models. Abruptness can clarify?              If the Earth Twin starts flashing toward the spaceship twin upon       leaving the earth, and the light field is 4pi the spaceship twin       always receives all the flashes emitted from the earth, number       identical to the Earth twin. The only question becomes???              And here if get confused also. How to make Special Relativity       second order rate function? The Spaceship twin here accelerates       constantly to the return point and reverses and decelerate back       home. Is this class of abruptness allowed? The answer being       a functional kinetic equal to the turn around dynamic.              The analysis demands a deceleration to cause a turn around,       then acceleration to cross the span of space and deceleration       somewhere near to stop on Earth. Several other kinetics are       possible here.              I remember trying to read Rindler's explanation of the twin       paradox. It is not a paradox it is real. I remember the concept       of Doppler existence being the cause of old aging. One       of the elements to age undergoes a true acceleration while       one is relative stationary. Unfortunately, although twin       solution was stated it was first-order acceleration. And       it was abrupt.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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