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   Message 15,742 of 17,516   
   Jos Bergervoet to Thomas Koenig   
   Re: Mathematics of physical units and di   
   31 Jul 17 13:10:55   
   
   From: jos.bergervoet@xs4all.nl   
      
   On 7/31/2017 1:35 PM, Thomas Koenig wrote:   
   > J. J. Lodder  schrieb:   
   >   
   >> For example, is a centimeter compatible with a nanosecond?   
   >> No, of course not, well indoctrinated kiddies will tell you   
   >> with the wisdom of 1793.   
   >> However, these days the nanosecond equals 29.9792458 cm (exactly)   
   >   
   > Time certainly doesn't equal length,   
      
   Then height doesn't equal width. And you might just   
   as well use the 'fathom' to measure the former and   
   the 'furlong' for the latter.   
      
   >     and trying to use definitions   
   > of units in such a way is misleading at best.   
      
   On the contrary, it makes clear that they are just   
   4 coordinates on a 4-dimensional manifold.   
      
   > Otherwise, tell me what reasonable result you get if you add a   
   > second to a meter.   
      
   More reasonable is to compute time^2-length^2 (the   
   metric in our universe). Having the same units in   
   that case saves you applying a conversion constant.   
      
   >> In a very real sense the metric system came too early.   
   >> (before the relevant physics was well enough understood)   
   >> If we could start all over again   
   >> there wouldn't be a separate length unit at all.   
   >   
   > It is certainly useful to have both; if only to avoid the mistake   
   > of adding a length to a time.   
      
   Sometimes it makes sense to use separate units for   
   the coordinates, but not if the manifold is very   
   much curved (e.g. if you move to a Schwarzschild   
   radius time and space will reverse roles..)   
      
   For ploughing furs with a span of oxen, on the other   
   hand, the furlong is of course useful (and was   
   invented for it!) but only if you do not use it for   
   the height coordinate (the oxen would agree with you   
   that there is a difference). It all depends..   
      
   --   
   Jos   
      
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